MegaMan-09/25/2016
Hi mate. So, Ramp is the new CEO of TK. Ofc, will be a transition period and I'll be helping with it. He's trying to bring all people together (i saw you're already on the main discord) and thats a good thing. In order to accomplish some goals, the team need to be united. The message I want to pass trought everyone is, even tho changes are not always seen easily, they normally positive, if in the right direction.
MisterL2-09/25/2016
yeah
MegaMan-09/25/2016
I hope I can on you to help hi out.
MisterL2-09/25/2016
i dont think its a good idea to get everyone onto the second discord tho
MegaMan-09/25/2016
*count on you
MisterL2-09/25/2016
not only will people be on multiple TK discords
but they will also get constant messages from that discord about things related to other games or things that are only relevant to managers
so i think i'd prefer if only the managers of each team used that discord and not all the players
and im pretty sure my players agree
MegaMan-09/25/2016
well, if the main discord get better organized, i dont see any probs with that
MisterL2-09/25/2016
i dont see any benefit to ahving everyone on the main discord
MegaMan-09/25/2016
the way i see it now (discord) i found it a bit deorganized
MisterL2-09/25/2016
disorganised?
MegaMan-09/25/2016
that 
MisterL2-09/25/2016
the one he made?
MegaMan-09/25/2016
broken english sry
yes
i think it need some changes to fit better other games
MisterL2-09/25/2016
yeah
but still
i dont see any merit to connecting all games
i think only the managers of all sections should be combined
90% of my players dont give a shit about the other games
MegaMan-09/25/2016
will bring people together and help out with communications
thats why the mai discord as a room (text and voice) for each game
*has
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 11:59 AM
not a fan of this double discord idea regardless
and i wont suggest my members to join the other tk
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 11:59 AM
everything I asked you you made it twice as good, so dont worry,
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 11:59 AM
if they want to, they can feel free, but i will remind them it is optional and has nothing to do with you
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 11:59 AM
^^
"my members" are actually team kingz members, i am wrong?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:00 PM
*am I
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:00 PM
they are
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:00 PM
and you are? The kingz sc2 squad manager right??
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:00 PM
yes
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:01 PM
ok, so, am i missing something here?
im asking you, the sc2 division boss, to pass trough the message from the team kingz adminsitration
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:01 PM
i will not recommend them to join some other spam discord that I dont approve of
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:02 PM
im not telling you cant do something or asking you to change anything profound.
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:02 PM
ok
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:02 PM
the other "spam discord that you dont aprove is the main TK discord
where ALL gamers from ALL games should met~
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:03 PM
but its so spammy i have it on mute anyways and never read it
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:03 PM
its not
you dont read it
cuz you dont aprove it
BUT
as i said
you know what
nvm
u wont do what im asking right?
i mean
if me or some one, hierarchy superior to you in TK management ask you anything, you wont ask that "to your players"
sry mrl
that is one thing its not making any sense atm
TK is taking one direction, important one. We need game managers, division manager we can trust and knows how organization, cooperation and hierarchy works. Please think about this and let me know your thoughts. I will lunch now. Be back later
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:12 PM
I am happy managing the sc2 section but i dont want stuff to be forced on me or people telling me what to do
im not a soldier; i wont pass on stuff to my players that I dont agree with
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:15 PM
From that perspective, if the ceo of TK ask you to gather your players to join some kknd of tournament. You dont agree, because whatever, so you wontpass the info to the players?!
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:16 PM
generally tho, why would i disagree with us playing a tournament?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:16 PM
Sry mrl, thats now how it works. Besides, all im asking is you to pass the info details to the sc2 players. Thats why each squad as its manager, so the administration of the org doesnt need to pass the info themselfs
"im not a soldier; i wont pass on stuff to my players that I dont agree with"
And this is not a war, neither a political regime, its a multigaming organization.
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:24 PM
im gonna grab lunch now
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 1:24 PM
Can we meet in 30/45mins together witl Andromeda and Daffe (if on) in admins room?
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 1:24 PM
what does this have to do with them?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 1:25 PM
Everything. They're sc2 officers. I want to point some facts and i would like to officers to join us
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 1:25 PM
point some facts?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 1:25 PM
yes
facts and announcemts
announcements
brb
Tbh, im a nit increduble about your behaviour. Im not understanding. Your behaving like Kingz is yours, and bro, that bothers me 
*a bit
So, please, let us be straight with eachother and let me know what is the problem here
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 1:42 PM
increduble?
what does it mean?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 1:43 PM
ty google translator. I mean incredulous
anything?
Ok i start
I will be completly honest with you bud
I thank you for the awesome job you're doing managing sc2 division. honestly
If depends on me, I want you to keep doing just that
BUT
wars and soldiers appart, you need to understand that Kingz is changing - as we sepak~
We are more organized then ever
We have more human resources then ever
We are stronger then ever
and because of this
we need to have trustfull managers, and people we can rely on
FYI, ramp is co founder of grow up gaming, one of the most succesfull multigaming orgs in europe - just google it
We WILL change, for better
All i am asking you is
understand hierarchy
the meaning of organization
cooperate
its that too much?
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 1:50 PM
yes. i want to be in a communtiy, where there is no real hierarchy
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 1:51 PM
no organization works without hierarchy
and bro
im an arch muself
but if we want to improve
we need to work together
and we need hierarchy
in lack of other managing system
*myselg
geez
m y s e l f
fuck
... sry bro
gimme an example of a succesfull org without hierarchy
name 1
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 1:53 PM
FFG
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 1:54 PM
and lets be honest, is adnro or daffe on the same stage as you on TK? NO! You are the manager, and they are not
thats hierarchy, even if you dont want tp call it by that name
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 1:54 PM
do they do what I tell them to if they dont agree with it? no! Do i have a problem with it? no!
even tho i am technically above them I would never make a decision over them
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 1:55 PM
and we're not forcing anything
please understand it
but we need TK gamers together in one place
you can keep sc2 discord
but
lets not fight for something pointless
it only makes sense
you forced everyone that wants to play CW's to join discord. Am i worng??
its exactly what we're trying to accomplish here
we need, and we will have all kingz together
might be in both, np with that
but main discord. well, will be the main ...
now, the million dollar question, can i (we) count on you. Count on you to have a succesfull sc2 squad, with all the resources and positive things that come along with tight organization and cooperation. I would like to have an yes or no. You cant think about it. And please bro, do it!
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:00 PM
btw FFG its a company, how do they manage a company without hierarchy??
we aim to associate by the end of the year - just to let you know at what stage are we in
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:01 PM
associate?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:01 PM
yes, legally
form an association
its saying that in the next year, we might be running on contracts
we want to go pro, and keep the familiar side of the gaming. From all to all. We are different. We always were. And I will make sure that Kingz will keep being a team for everyone. But, the golden age of esports is here and kicking in. We want to get the train.~
The time is now.
(i sound peter joseph form zeitgeits) xD
zeitgeist
will you think about it?
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:05 PM
im thinking
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:07 PM
ok, all we ask you at this point is to bring ppl together. Ofc, in the future things may change. Thats life, everything is changing. If we someday get a gm semi pro players whatever, we surely will ask for other things, like streamings, tournaments, etc.
Trust me, we will do everything in our hands to make it work. Thats a true opportunity right now, and i wont waste it
ill be here until 6pm
saying 2 hours from now
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:11 PM
I want the sc2 part of kingz to remain a happy familiar community and i dont want any business involved. If we get a sponsor involved, then sure i'm happy with that but I dont want my members to be forced to join anything. We can exist with the TK flag but i dont want us forced into a business monetised main organisation
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:14 PM
You do understand that sponsorship requieres commitment?
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:14 PM
i have hosted sc2 tournament and received sponsorships for those
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:16 PM
And how do you suggest to comply with demands (in exchange of sponsorship) when none is asked (noticed "asked" nor forced) do to anything?
None will ever be forced to do anything. Players and staff will be asked for. Asked to stream, asked to play, asked...
We'll have both side. Competitive, and casual.
We already do
thats eachother option
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:19 PM
we can see what the sponsors want - some logos here and there is fine
and if they want something we dont want, then we dont need their sponsorship
essentially
I want the sc2 community to stay as it is and i do not want to be bothered by what other kingz games are doing
I do not want my members to be forced to join some spammy discord
I do not want any restrictions or behaviours forced onto our team
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:26 PM
we have here then
we have a problem here*
fisrt, you keep using the "force" word
none will force anything
secondly
This is a long term strategy
as i said
we will have both, casual and competitive
casual wont be asked anything, they might play competitive in opne day, casual the next day
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:27 PM
I will stay with the casual and if you want to make a seperate team for competetive then feel free
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:28 PM
ok, thats actually sounds good and its is, perhaps, the first positive thing ive heard from you on last 2 hours
jesus man
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:29 PM
but there was never someone stopping you from making a seperate team in the first place
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:29 PM
thats an ideia i will share
still
kingz is the main team
i mean [kingz] tag
so
ir order to get that done
sec
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:30 PM
all of the current sc2 division will fall under the category of casual
and, as I said, i dont want anyone joining the other discord or being urged to join the multigaming - or anyone that tells me or my players how to behave and what to do
so
will it be possible, for the entire sc2 community as it is right now, involving all current active members and officers, to remain as they were before without having to connect with the rest of the multigaming organisation?
with no rules and orders given from the "people above us in the hierarchy" such as ramp?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:42 PM
gimme a minute pls
We will make a decison and will get back on this subject next weekend
all board should vote, wont append now
for now being, everything will keep the same
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:59 PM
i dont want to wait on the decision for another week
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 3:00 PM
it is clear that we have different goals
you want to go into more of a business, I want to keep it as a small community
so I think it would be best if you used new people for the sc2 section that are more interested in this multigaming-business-competetive model
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 3:03 PM
pls dont put words on my mouth.
This started cuz you dont want "your" players joining the multigaming org discord
thats the first fact
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
put words into your mouth?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
yes
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
so you do not want kingz to become a business?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
i never said
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
so you do not want it to be super linked as multigaming?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
i wanted to go business orientade model
thats you saying it
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
what about the contracts?
the associate?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
yes, no really sponsor makes a contract with an shadow org
we need to be legal
MisterL2-09/25/2016
i really dont think they would like to join a second discord server for connection to other game
MisterL2-09/25/2016
combining the managers can work out nicely, but forcing all players to join a second discord where they get spammed isnt amazing
MegaMan-09/25/2016
since there is several people playing several games
MisterL2-09/25/2016
not many tho
MegaMan-09/25/2016
not forcing . we are asking
MisterL2-09/25/2016
those 10% can join the discord sure
MegaMan-09/25/2016
and you can and should be an admin in the main one
in order to change whatever we need in respect of game specifics
like making the main discord looks like the one we use for sc
tbh, i dont have any probs with the sc discord
but lets be honest, as a multigaming, doesnt make any sense having one discord per game
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 11:59 AM
not a fan of this double discord idea regardless
and i wont suggest my members to join the other tk
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 11:59 AM
everything I asked you you made it twice as good, so dont worry,
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 11:59 AM
if they want to, they can feel free, but i will remind them it is optional and has nothing to do with you
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 11:59 AM
^^
"my members" are actually team kingz members, i am wrong?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:00 PM
*am I
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:00 PM
they are
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:00 PM
and you are? The kingz sc2 squad manager right??
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:00 PM
yes
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:01 PM
ok, so, am i missing something here?
im asking you, the sc2 division boss, to pass trough the message from the team kingz adminsitration
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:01 PM
i will not recommend them to join some other spam discord that I dont approve of
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:02 PM
im not telling you cant do something or asking you to change anything profound.
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:02 PM
ok
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:02 PM
the other "spam discord that you dont aprove is the main TK discord
where ALL gamers from ALL games should met~
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:03 PM
but its so spammy i have it on mute anyways and never read it
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:03 PM
its not
you dont read it
cuz you dont aprove it
BUT
as i said
you know what
nvm
u wont do what im asking right?
i mean
if me or some one, hierarchy superior to you in TK management ask you anything, you wont ask that "to your players"
sry mrl
that is one thing its not making any sense atm
TK is taking one direction, important one. We need game managers, division manager we can trust and knows how organization, cooperation and hierarchy works. Please think about this and let me know your thoughts. I will lunch now. Be back later
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:12 PM
I am happy managing the sc2 section but i dont want stuff to be forced on me or people telling me what to do
im not a soldier; i wont pass on stuff to my players that I dont agree with
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:15 PM
From that perspective, if the ceo of TK ask you to gather your players to join some kknd of tournament. You dont agree, because whatever, so you wontpass the info to the players?!
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:16 PM
generally tho, why would i disagree with us playing a tournament?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 12:16 PM
Sry mrl, thats now how it works. Besides, all im asking is you to pass the info details to the sc2 players. Thats why each squad as its manager, so the administration of the org doesnt need to pass the info themselfs
"im not a soldier; i wont pass on stuff to my players that I dont agree with"
And this is not a war, neither a political regime, its a multigaming organization.
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 12:24 PM
im gonna grab lunch now
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 1:24 PM
Can we meet in 30/45mins together witl Andromeda and Daffe (if on) in admins room?
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 1:24 PM
what does this have to do with them?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 1:25 PM
Everything. They're sc2 officers. I want to point some facts and i would like to officers to join us
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 1:25 PM
point some facts?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 1:25 PM
yes
facts and announcemts
announcements
brb
Tbh, im a nit increduble about your behaviour. Im not understanding. Your behaving like Kingz is yours, and bro, that bothers me
*a bit
So, please, let us be straight with eachother and let me know what is the problem here
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 1:42 PM
increduble?
what does it mean?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 1:43 PM
ty google translator. I mean incredulous
anything?
Ok i start
I will be completly honest with you bud
I thank you for the awesome job you're doing managing sc2 division. honestly
If depends on me, I want you to keep doing just that
BUT
wars and soldiers appart, you need to understand that Kingz is changing - as we sepak~
We are more organized then ever
We have more human resources then ever
We are stronger then ever
and because of this
we need to have trustfull managers, and people we can rely on
FYI, ramp is co founder of grow up gaming, one of the most succesfull multigaming orgs in europe - just google it
We WILL change, for better
All i am asking you is
understand hierarchy
the meaning of organization
cooperate
its that too much?
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 1:50 PM
yes. i want to be in a communtiy, where there is no real hierarchy
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 1:51 PM
no organization works without hierarchy
and bro
im an arch muself
but if we want to improve
we need to work together
and we need hierarchy
in lack of other managing system
*myselg
geez
m y s e l f
fuck
... sry bro
gimme an example of a succesfull org without hierarchy
name 1
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 1:53 PM
FFG
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 1:54 PM
and lets be honest, is adnro or daffe on the same stage as you on TK? NO! You are the manager, and they are not
thats hierarchy, even if you dont want tp call it by that name
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 1:54 PM
do they do what I tell them to if they dont agree with it? no! Do i have a problem with it? no!
even tho i am technically above them I would never make a decision over them
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 1:55 PM
and we're not forcing anything
please understand it
but we need TK gamers together in one place
you can keep sc2 discord
but
lets not fight for something pointless
it only makes sense
you forced everyone that wants to play CW's to join discord. Am i worng??
its exactly what we're trying to accomplish here
we need, and we will have all kingz together
might be in both, np with that
but main discord. well, will be the main ...
now, the million dollar question, can i (we) count on you. Count on you to have a succesfull sc2 squad, with all the resources and positive things that come along with tight organization and cooperation. I would like to have an yes or no. You cant think about it. And please bro, do it!
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:00 PM
btw FFG its a company, how do they manage a company without hierarchy??
we aim to associate by the end of the year - just to let you know at what stage are we in
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:01 PM
associate?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:01 PM
yes, legally
form an association
its saying that in the next year, we might be running on contracts
we want to go pro, and keep the familiar side of the gaming. From all to all. We are different. We always were. And I will make sure that Kingz will keep being a team for everyone. But, the golden age of esports is here and kicking in. We want to get the train.~
The time is now.
(i sound peter joseph form zeitgeits) xD
zeitgeist
will you think about it?
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:05 PM
im thinking
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:07 PM
ok, all we ask you at this point is to bring ppl together. Ofc, in the future things may change. Thats life, everything is changing. If we someday get a gm semi pro players whatever, we surely will ask for other things, like streamings, tournaments, etc.
Trust me, we will do everything in our hands to make it work. Thats a true opportunity right now, and i wont waste it
ill be here until 6pm
saying 2 hours from now
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:11 PM
I want the sc2 part of kingz to remain a happy familiar community and i dont want any business involved. If we get a sponsor involved, then sure i'm happy with that but I dont want my members to be forced to join anything. We can exist with the TK flag but i dont want us forced into a business monetised main organisation
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:14 PM
You do understand that sponsorship requieres commitment?
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:14 PM
i have hosted sc2 tournament and received sponsorships for those
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:16 PM
And how do you suggest to comply with demands (in exchange of sponsorship) when none is asked (noticed "asked" nor forced) do to anything?
None will ever be forced to do anything. Players and staff will be asked for. Asked to stream, asked to play, asked...
We'll have both side. Competitive, and casual.
We already do
thats eachother option
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:19 PM
we can see what the sponsors want - some logos here and there is fine
and if they want something we dont want, then we dont need their sponsorship
essentially
I want the sc2 community to stay as it is and i do not want to be bothered by what other kingz games are doing
I do not want my members to be forced to join some spammy discord
I do not want any restrictions or behaviours forced onto our team
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:26 PM
we have here then
we have a problem here*
fisrt, you keep using the "force" word
none will force anything
secondly
This is a long term strategy
as i said
we will have both, casual and competitive
casual wont be asked anything, they might play competitive in opne day, casual the next day
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:27 PM
I will stay with the casual and if you want to make a seperate team for competetive then feel free
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:28 PM
ok, thats actually sounds good and its is, perhaps, the first positive thing ive heard from you on last 2 hours
jesus man
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:29 PM
but there was never someone stopping you from making a seperate team in the first place
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:29 PM
thats an ideia i will share
still
kingz is the main team
i mean [kingz] tag
so
ir order to get that done
sec
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:30 PM
all of the current sc2 division will fall under the category of casual
and, as I said, i dont want anyone joining the other discord or being urged to join the multigaming - or anyone that tells me or my players how to behave and what to do
so
will it be possible, for the entire sc2 community as it is right now, involving all current active members and officers, to remain as they were before without having to connect with the rest of the multigaming organisation?
with no rules and orders given from the "people above us in the hierarchy" such as ramp?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 2:42 PM
gimme a minute pls
We will make a decison and will get back on this subject next weekend
all board should vote, wont append now
for now being, everything will keep the same
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 2:59 PM
i dont want to wait on the decision for another week
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 3:00 PM
it is clear that we have different goals
you want to go into more of a business, I want to keep it as a small community
so I think it would be best if you used new people for the sc2 section that are more interested in this multigaming-business-competetive model
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 3:03 PM
pls dont put words on my mouth.
This started cuz you dont want "your" players joining the multigaming org discord
thats the first fact
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
put words into your mouth?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
yes
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
so you do not want kingz to become a business?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
i never said
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
so you do not want it to be super linked as multigaming?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
i wanted to go business orientade model
thats you saying it
MisterL2-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
what about the contracts?
the associate?
MegaMan-Last Sunday at 3:04 PM
yes, no really sponsor makes a contract with an shadow org
we need to be legal