[00:00.000 --> 00:04.000] The catwalk is over.
[00:04.000 --> 00:09.000] Last month, Louis Vuitton was on the front row with the sisters Haim.
[00:09.000 --> 00:12.000] She was on the covers of The Vogue.
[00:12.000 --> 00:15.000] She worked in France with Karl Lagerfeld.
[00:15.000 --> 00:17.000] She chats with Donatella Versace.
[00:17.000 --> 00:19.000] She is followed by Vic de Angelis.
[00:19.000 --> 00:21.000] She works with Ines and Vinod.
[00:21.000 --> 00:25.000] She is celebrated because she is one of the best in the world.
[00:25.000 --> 00:28.000] She puts the word top in the word top model.
[00:28.000 --> 00:31.000] We are very happy to the top model.
[00:31.000 --> 00:34.000] Light, camera, action. Welcome, Rianne van Rompuy.
[00:34.000 --> 00:37.000] That was fun. Nice. Well done.
[00:37.000 --> 00:42.000] I have to say, would you describe yourself as a top model?
[00:42.000 --> 00:46.000] Absolutely. I think that's the best description.
[00:48.000 --> 00:52.000] For the record, that's how you described yourself in a DM to us.
[00:52.000 --> 00:57.000] Not that you think we've gone completely crazy and started calling you that.
[00:57.000 --> 00:58.000] Yes, that's right.
[00:58.000 --> 00:59.000] You still remember.
[00:59.000 --> 01:01.000] Yes, I can't remember.
[01:01.000 --> 01:04.000] It was sent at 2 a.m. Very strange.
[01:05.000 --> 01:12.000] In that same DM, you also said that you felt a bit of a late bloomer in terms of your queerness.
[01:12.000 --> 01:14.000] You're 26, right?
[01:14.000 --> 01:16.000] I'm 26, yes. That's right.
[01:16.000 --> 01:19.000] That feels very young for me.
[01:19.000 --> 01:25.000] For me it feels like that 30 is slowly getting closer.
[01:25.000 --> 01:29.000] But yes, I'm a bit of a late bloomer.
[01:29.000 --> 01:34.000] It took me quite a while before I found out that I liked women.
[01:34.000 --> 01:39.000] I was always obsessed with being in love as a child and boys.
[01:39.000 --> 01:43.000] I always had a kind of top 5 with all the guys I was in love with.
[01:43.000 --> 01:46.000] It shifted all the time. Who was number one?
[01:46.000 --> 01:53.000] The first time I had a crush on a girl came as a surprise to me.
[01:53.000 --> 02:00.000] The reason I said it to you is because when I started listening to Lesley's Lies,
[02:00.000 --> 02:07.000] for the first time I had the feeling that I was in a Lesley community.
[02:07.000 --> 02:10.000] I thought, oh my god, this is so nice to hear.
[02:10.000 --> 02:13.000] How many jokes you don't make about it.
[02:13.000 --> 02:15.000] Yes, that.
[02:15.000 --> 02:19.000] When you first liked a girl, to talk about her right away.
[02:19.000 --> 02:21.000] When was that?
[02:21.000 --> 02:23.000] I was 19.
[02:23.000 --> 02:26.000] But I can remember that I saw her for the first time.
[02:26.000 --> 02:30.000] And she was quite a bit of a bitch.
[02:30.000 --> 02:32.000] But eyes.
[02:32.000 --> 02:35.000] You always talk about the eyes.
[02:35.000 --> 02:38.000] I had never experienced anything like that.
[02:38.000 --> 02:41.000] But I already had a boyfriend.
[02:41.000 --> 02:44.000] And then we broke up.
[02:44.000 --> 02:48.000] I had been working as a model for about a year.
[02:48.000 --> 02:52.000] I was traveling a lot and I met a lot of new people.
[02:52.000 --> 02:57.000] And a lot of girls or women like I had never seen before.
[02:57.000 --> 03:00.000] It was a kind of first time for me.
[03:00.000 --> 03:04.000] And for the first time all girls saw me with the same body as me.
[03:04.000 --> 03:07.000] I had never seen a kind of jump.
[03:07.000 --> 03:10.000] I mean, in high school I really wanted to poop.
[03:10.000 --> 03:13.000] And then I always had a kind of jump.
[03:13.000 --> 03:18.000] But that I saw girls with the same body, I was all very different.
[03:18.000 --> 03:21.000] And it was the first time I was single.
[03:21.000 --> 03:23.000] Since I was 15.
[03:23.000 --> 03:27.000] And I had never seen a girl with the same body as me.
[03:27.000 --> 03:30.000] And it was the first time I was single.
[03:30.000 --> 03:32.000] Since I was 15.
[03:32.000 --> 03:35.000] So first I thought, okay, I'm just going to try things out.
[03:35.000 --> 03:38.000] And then we had a wild night.
[03:38.000 --> 03:40.000] And then...
[03:40.000 --> 03:42.000] This was all in Wageningen?
[03:42.000 --> 03:44.000] Yes, where was this?
[03:44.000 --> 03:46.000] You're from Wageningen, right?
[03:46.000 --> 03:48.000] Let's go back to this look, this wild night.
[03:48.000 --> 03:50.000] Take us with you.
[03:50.000 --> 03:52.000] We have audio material for that.
[03:52.000 --> 03:54.000] No, this wasn't in Wageningen.
[03:54.000 --> 03:56.000] This was, where was this?
[03:56.000 --> 03:59.000] This was between Paris and New York.
[03:59.000 --> 04:01.000] It's amazing that you can say that.
[04:01.000 --> 04:03.000] Sorry, I didn't say it.
[04:03.000 --> 04:06.000] This is really fantastic that you never said it.
[04:06.000 --> 04:08.000] We still think you grew up there.
[04:08.000 --> 04:10.000] But you were just working.
[04:10.000 --> 04:12.000] You were flying all over the world.
[04:12.000 --> 04:14.000] It was somewhere between Paris and New York.
[04:14.000 --> 04:16.000] Wageningen was a kind of...
[04:16.000 --> 04:18.000] I ran away as fast as I could.
[04:18.000 --> 04:20.000] I mean, that's the weird thing.
[04:20.000 --> 04:23.000] If you start working as a model at your eighteenth.
[04:23.000 --> 04:25.000] You're flying all over the world.
[04:25.000 --> 04:27.000] So that's why it feels like...
[04:27.000 --> 04:29.000] I remember thinking, where was this?
[04:29.000 --> 04:31.000] It was between Paris and New York.
[04:31.000 --> 04:33.000] And then we did a shoot in New York.
[04:33.000 --> 04:35.000] And then we were with a group of girls.
[04:35.000 --> 04:37.000] Who all did Louis Vuitton.
[04:37.000 --> 04:39.000] And we thought we'd be best friends.
[04:39.000 --> 04:41.000] But everyone had a crush on each other.
[04:41.000 --> 04:43.000] That was very exciting.
[04:43.000 --> 04:45.000] This tea.
[04:47.000 --> 04:49.000] Go ahead.
[04:50.000 --> 04:53.000] But then we dated for a while.
[04:53.000 --> 04:56.000] And that was actually the first time I was with a woman.
[04:56.000 --> 04:58.000] But still I thought.
[04:58.000 --> 05:00.000] This is my single life.
[05:00.000 --> 05:02.000] And it was over.
[05:02.000 --> 05:04.000] And then I got a boyfriend again.
[05:04.000 --> 05:06.000] So I was a year single.
[05:06.000 --> 05:08.000] And then I got a boyfriend again.
[05:08.000 --> 05:10.000] I didn't think much about it.
[05:10.000 --> 05:12.000] But I still thought, I like men.
[05:12.000 --> 05:14.000] But I love it when I'm single.
[05:14.000 --> 05:16.000] To be with women.
[05:16.000 --> 05:18.000] Yes, as it goes.
[05:18.000 --> 05:20.000] For fun it's very fun.
[05:22.000 --> 05:24.000] A kind of hobby.
[05:24.000 --> 05:26.000] Passion project.
[05:26.000 --> 05:28.000] It was a nice hobby.
[05:28.000 --> 05:30.000] And it was actually the last time.
[05:30.000 --> 05:32.000] When I got a girlfriend for the first time.
[05:32.000 --> 05:34.000] That I realized.
[05:36.000 --> 05:38.000] Oh yes.
[05:38.000 --> 05:40.000] This is right.
[05:40.000 --> 05:42.000] And was that what you said when I got a girlfriend?
[05:42.000 --> 05:44.000] Did that feel like a different moment for yourself?
[05:44.000 --> 05:46.000] That you might have thought.
[05:46.000 --> 05:48.000] This is part of a coming out.
[05:48.000 --> 05:50.000] Or I have to put a label on this.
[05:50.000 --> 05:52.000] Or this is more serious.
[05:52.000 --> 05:54.000] That you had to do something about it.
[05:54.000 --> 05:56.000] To put it that way.
[05:56.000 --> 05:58.000] For the first time.
[05:58.000 --> 06:00.000] That I thought.
[06:00.000 --> 06:02.000] This is no longer a phase.
[06:02.000 --> 06:04.000] This is not something that is over.
[06:06.000 --> 06:08.000] For me it was the industry.
[06:08.000 --> 06:10.000] When I work is very gay.
[06:10.000 --> 06:12.000] Is that so?
[06:12.000 --> 06:14.000] Yes, but especially for men.
[06:14.000 --> 06:16.000] As if you bring connoisseurs.
[06:16.000 --> 06:18.000] No, but calm down.
[06:18.000 --> 06:20.000] Don't get excited.
[06:20.000 --> 06:22.000] But almost all men.
[06:22.000 --> 06:24.000] Who work in the industry are gay.
[06:24.000 --> 06:26.000] And it's also a thing.
[06:28.000 --> 06:30.000] Among models.
[06:30.000 --> 06:32.000] Because you are suddenly.
[06:32.000 --> 06:34.000] Surrounded by so many women.
[06:34.000 --> 06:36.000] Models, other girls.
[06:36.000 --> 06:38.000] During the shows.
[06:38.000 --> 06:40.000] You are traveling from city to city for a month.
[06:40.000 --> 06:42.000] With a kind of circus.
[06:42.000 --> 06:44.000] And a lot of models.
[06:44.000 --> 06:46.000] That it is quite normal.
[06:46.000 --> 06:48.000] That girls.
[06:48.000 --> 06:50.000] Are going to experiment.
[06:50.000 --> 06:52.000] Because it is a kind of.
[06:52.000 --> 06:54.000] There are no straight men in the neighborhood.
[06:56.000 --> 06:58.000] It happens a lot.
[06:58.000 --> 07:00.000] So for me and my friends.
[07:00.000 --> 07:02.000] I thought.
[07:02.000 --> 07:04.000] Rianne has a phase.
[07:04.000 --> 07:06.000] But it was then.
[07:06.000 --> 07:08.000] For the first time.
[07:08.000 --> 07:10.000] With my father.
[07:10.000 --> 07:12.000] I had a girlfriend.
[07:12.000 --> 07:14.000] My mother always knew.
[07:14.000 --> 07:16.000] I was very open.
[07:16.000 --> 07:18.000] Even if I liked girls.
[07:18.000 --> 07:20.000] But within the circles.
[07:20.000 --> 07:22.000] In which I move.
[07:22.000 --> 07:24.000] In my work.
[07:24.000 --> 07:26.000] It is something that is so normal.
[07:26.000 --> 07:28.000] That I didn't feel.
[07:28.000 --> 07:30.000] That I had to come out.
[07:30.000 --> 07:32.000] But more for myself.
[07:32.000 --> 07:34.000] In my head.
[07:36.000 --> 07:38.000] We were eating.
[07:38.000 --> 07:40.000] Two little half-sisters.
[07:40.000 --> 07:42.000] She was six years old.
[07:42.000 --> 07:44.000] In the background of my phone.
[07:44.000 --> 07:46.000] I had a picture of my girlfriend.
[07:46.000 --> 07:48.000] She was just wearing clothes.
[07:48.000 --> 07:50.000] Where she saw her body.
[07:50.000 --> 07:52.000] And she said.
[07:52.000 --> 07:54.000] Whose underpants is that?
[07:54.000 --> 07:56.000] And I thought.
[07:56.000 --> 07:58.000] I guess this is the moment.
[07:58.000 --> 08:00.000] So I said.
[08:00.000 --> 08:02.000] That's my girlfriend.
[08:02.000 --> 08:04.000] I have a girlfriend now.
[08:04.000 --> 08:06.000] I saw my father waving his ears.
[08:06.000 --> 08:08.000] Very casual.
[08:10.000 --> 08:12.000] He explained it to me.
[08:12.000 --> 08:14.000] And he stayed very quiet.
[08:14.000 --> 08:16.000] Then he started thinking.
[08:18.000 --> 08:20.000] How do you know.
[08:20.000 --> 08:22.000] That it's not just a good friendship?
[08:24.000 --> 08:26.000] And then I thought.
[08:26.000 --> 08:28.000] How should I know?
[08:28.000 --> 08:30.000] I heard it on my phone.
[08:30.000 --> 08:32.000] But it's a good friendship.
[08:32.000 --> 08:34.000] How is he doing with his friendship?
[08:34.000 --> 08:36.000] Then I thought.
[08:36.000 --> 08:38.000] Okay.
[08:38.000 --> 08:40.000] But he understood.
[08:40.000 --> 08:42.000] The first girl you had a crush on.
[08:42.000 --> 08:44.000] That you were obsessed with.
[08:44.000 --> 08:46.000] That's nice.
[08:46.000 --> 08:48.000] We can acknowledge that.
[08:48.000 --> 08:50.000] We are for that.
[08:50.000 --> 08:52.000] We love obsessions.
[08:52.000 --> 08:54.000] Queer women.
[08:54.000 --> 08:56.000] Lesbian women.
[08:56.000 --> 08:58.000] Bisexual women.
[08:58.000 --> 09:00.000] Have a certain brain area.
[09:00.000 --> 09:02.000] In which obsessions are overdeveloped.
[09:02.000 --> 09:04.000] I don't know.
[09:04.000 --> 09:06.000] I would like to know.
[09:06.000 --> 09:08.000] Some write fanfiction.
[09:08.000 --> 09:10.000] Others work in the same supermarket.
[09:14.000 --> 09:16.000] Coincidentally, an apartment was released.
[09:16.000 --> 09:18.000] Next to their apartment.
[09:20.000 --> 09:22.000] I'm a daydreamer.
[09:22.000 --> 09:24.000] In my head.
[09:24.000 --> 09:26.000] We already had a 30-year relationship.
[09:28.000 --> 09:30.000] Always.
[09:30.000 --> 09:32.000] I get so obsessed with people.
[09:32.000 --> 09:34.000] Sometimes it's annoying.
[09:36.000 --> 09:38.000] A lot of online stalking.
[09:38.000 --> 09:40.000] A lot of trying.
[09:40.000 --> 09:42.000] If I saw a picture.
[09:42.000 --> 09:44.000] Get as much information as possible.
[09:46.000 --> 09:48.000] Also look at friends.
[09:48.000 --> 09:50.000] On Instagram.
[09:50.000 --> 09:52.000] What they are doing.
[09:52.000 --> 09:54.000] How they are with other people.
[09:54.000 --> 09:56.000] If something was going on.
[09:56.000 --> 09:58.000] I don't know.
[10:02.000 --> 10:04.000] I'm not a hunter.
[10:04.000 --> 10:06.000] That's what I wanted to say.
[10:08.000 --> 10:10.000] I'm more the Bambi.
[10:14.000 --> 10:16.000] With her.
[10:16.000 --> 10:18.000] She was very sexy.
[10:20.000 --> 10:22.000] You did something.
[10:22.000 --> 10:24.000] Sounds innocent.
[10:24.000 --> 10:26.000] But it was something.
[10:28.000 --> 10:30.000] You're a bit like Anne Fleur.
[10:30.000 --> 10:32.000] The first time in the exit.
[10:32.000 --> 10:34.000] That you looked out.
[10:36.000 --> 10:38.000] One of her friends asked.
[10:38.000 --> 10:40.000] How are you?
[10:40.000 --> 10:42.000] Am I annoying someone?
[10:42.000 --> 10:44.000] I was still in training.
[10:44.000 --> 10:46.000] I was trying something.
[10:46.000 --> 10:48.000] It looked like a psychological attack.
[10:48.000 --> 10:50.000] But that doesn't matter.
[10:50.000 --> 10:52.000] I also speak for it.
[10:52.000 --> 10:54.000] No.
[10:56.000 --> 10:58.000] I don't get it.
[10:58.000 --> 11:00.000] It's incredibly successful.
[11:00.000 --> 11:02.000] That didn't work.
[11:02.000 --> 11:04.000] You try something.
[11:04.000 --> 11:06.000] But you don't.
[11:06.000 --> 11:08.000] You just stand there.
[11:10.000 --> 11:12.000] I think with her.
[11:12.000 --> 11:14.000] Laughing very hard.
[11:14.000 --> 11:16.000] I do that all the time.
[11:16.000 --> 11:18.000] To get someone's attention.
[11:18.000 --> 11:20.000] I think.
[11:20.000 --> 11:22.000] I'm going to see if it's going well.
[11:22.000 --> 11:24.000] Rihanna is on my funeral.
[11:24.000 --> 11:26.000] Very funny.
[11:30.000 --> 11:32.000] How would you identify yourself?
[11:32.000 --> 11:34.000] Sexuality.
[11:34.000 --> 11:36.000] Yes.
[11:36.000 --> 11:38.000] Lesbian.
[11:38.000 --> 11:40.000] But.
[11:40.000 --> 11:42.000] For me it also feels.
[11:42.000 --> 11:44.000] At this moment.
[11:44.000 --> 11:46.000] Because I can't imagine.
[11:46.000 --> 11:48.000] Going out with a man.
[11:48.000 --> 11:50.000] Do you find that complicated?
[11:50.000 --> 11:52.000] I think because I find it difficult.
[11:52.000 --> 11:54.000] To say where I stand in 10 years.
[11:54.000 --> 11:56.000] If you say that now.
[11:56.000 --> 11:58.000] Is it definitive?
[11:58.000 --> 12:00.000] Yes.
[12:00.000 --> 12:02.000] That I write it in my will.
[12:02.000 --> 12:04.000] I am a lesbian.
[12:04.000 --> 12:06.000] Handwriting underneath.
[12:06.000 --> 12:08.000] If I go out with a man now.
[12:08.000 --> 12:10.000] I'm off.
[12:10.000 --> 12:12.000] To hell.
[12:12.000 --> 12:14.000] It's funny that you said it yourself.
[12:14.000 --> 12:16.000] I find it interesting.
[12:16.000 --> 12:18.000] You said it before the interview started.
[12:18.000 --> 12:20.000] We can find a lot of you online.
[12:20.000 --> 12:22.000] We have also become fashion experts.
[12:22.000 --> 12:24.000] At least we tried.
[12:24.000 --> 12:26.000] As you can see.
[12:26.000 --> 12:28.000] I was completely distracted.
[12:28.000 --> 12:30.000] I saw stories of Haim in Paris.
[12:30.000 --> 12:32.000] Louis Vuitton.
[12:32.000 --> 12:34.000] I saw you again.
[12:34.000 --> 12:36.000] I was the online stalker.
[12:36.000 --> 12:38.000] We tried to find everything about you online.
[12:38.000 --> 12:40.000] But your personal life.
[12:40.000 --> 12:42.000] Is a bit more complicated, right?
[12:42.000 --> 12:44.000] Yes.
[12:44.000 --> 12:46.000] Right?
[12:46.000 --> 12:48.000] I went through your following.
[12:48.000 --> 12:50.000] Is it for you.
[12:50.000 --> 12:52.000] Because you just mentioned it.
[12:52.000 --> 12:54.000] Girlfriend or ex.
[12:54.000 --> 12:56.000] You talk about it openly.
[12:56.000 --> 12:58.000] Is it something you consciously
[12:58.000 --> 13:00.000] kept for yourself?
[13:00.000 --> 13:02.000] I think so.
[13:02.000 --> 13:04.000] The way I live.
[13:04.000 --> 13:06.000] As a model.
[13:06.000 --> 13:08.000] Personal life and work life go through each other.
[13:08.000 --> 13:10.000] It is a small industry.
[13:10.000 --> 13:12.000] The side of the industry where I work.
[13:12.000 --> 13:14.000] High fashion.
[13:14.000 --> 13:16.000] The people I work with.
[13:16.000 --> 13:18.000] The people I sit in the bar with.
[13:18.000 --> 13:20.000] I noticed.
[13:20.000 --> 13:22.000] Over the years.
[13:22.000 --> 13:24.000] When I share personal things.
[13:24.000 --> 13:26.000] And it comes back to work.
[13:26.000 --> 13:28.000] I find that quite intense.
[13:28.000 --> 13:30.000] Sometimes.
[13:30.000 --> 13:32.000] My first girlfriend.
[13:32.000 --> 13:34.000] Was also a model.
[13:34.000 --> 13:36.000] When we broke up.
[13:36.000 --> 13:38.000] I had so much trouble.
[13:38.000 --> 13:40.000] I didn't know what to do.
[13:40.000 --> 13:42.000] I didn't want to talk about it.
[13:42.000 --> 13:44.000] But.
[13:44.000 --> 13:46.000] Difficult.
[13:46.000 --> 13:48.000] A bit for yourself.
[13:48.000 --> 13:50.000] Yes.
[13:50.000 --> 13:52.000] That's it.
[13:52.000 --> 13:54.000] Sometimes.
[13:54.000 --> 13:56.000] When I have a bad day.
[13:56.000 --> 13:58.000] Or a fight.
[13:58.000 --> 14:00.000] I go to work.
[14:00.000 --> 14:02.000] There is a camera on my head.
[14:02.000 --> 14:04.000] I feel bad.
[14:04.000 --> 14:06.000] I see it in the pictures.
[14:06.000 --> 14:08.000] I have to protect myself.
[14:08.000 --> 14:10.000] To keep it separate.
[14:10.000 --> 14:12.000] The Lesbian League.
[14:12.000 --> 14:14.000] Podcast.
[14:14.000 --> 14:16.000] My favorite.
[14:16.000 --> 14:18.000] Do you say GIF?
[14:18.000 --> 14:20.000] Or GIF?
[14:20.000 --> 14:22.000] Or Jif.
[14:22.000 --> 14:24.000] I think it's Jif.
[14:24.000 --> 14:26.000] I don't know his name.
[14:26.000 --> 14:28.000] Let's go lesbians.
[14:28.000 --> 14:30.000] The best.
[14:30.000 --> 14:32.000] Let's go lesbians.
[14:32.000 --> 14:34.000] The best.
[14:34.000 --> 14:36.000] When I said.
[14:36.000 --> 14:38.000] I want to do the Lesbian League.
[14:38.000 --> 14:40.000] I didn't send it.
[14:40.000 --> 14:42.000] I want to see you.
[14:42.000 --> 14:44.000] At a queer party.
[14:44.000 --> 14:46.000] That you are earlier.
[14:46.000 --> 14:48.000] Let's go lesbians.
[14:48.000 --> 14:50.000] That everyone comes in.
[14:50.000 --> 14:52.000] I would like that.
[14:52.000 --> 14:54.000] Something that opens.
[14:54.000 --> 14:56.000] At a concert.
[14:56.000 --> 14:58.000] A party.
[14:58.000 --> 15:00.000] With a ribbon.
[15:00.000 --> 15:02.000] Everything.
[15:02.000 --> 15:04.000] A ribbon and a marathon.
[15:04.000 --> 15:06.000] Only lesbians.
[15:06.000 --> 15:08.000] The next time you are in Amsterdam.
[15:08.000 --> 15:10.000] This is all waiting for you.
[15:10.000 --> 15:12.000] We will arrange it.
[15:12.000 --> 15:14.000] I take care of the outfits.
[15:14.000 --> 15:16.000] We take care of the lesbians.
[15:16.000 --> 15:18.000] Great models.
[15:18.000 --> 15:20.000] Sorry.
[15:20.000 --> 15:22.000] I'm still through your PR.
[15:22.000 --> 15:24.000] Top or bottom?
[15:24.000 --> 15:26.000] We'll talk about it later.
[15:26.000 --> 15:28.000] Where this conversation went.
[15:28.000 --> 15:30.000] You are more pronounced.
[15:30.000 --> 15:32.000] I was thinking.
[15:32.000 --> 15:34.000] Which open league.
[15:34.000 --> 15:36.000] You know the inside world.
[15:36.000 --> 15:38.000] No one is going to expose.
[15:38.000 --> 15:40.000] Which open.
[15:40.000 --> 15:42.000] Feminine, lesbian or bisexual.
[15:42.000 --> 15:44.000] Top models do I know?
[15:44.000 --> 15:46.000] I only came to Cara Delevingne.
[15:46.000 --> 15:48.000] I had to think of Agnes Dine.
[15:48.000 --> 15:50.000] I don't even know.
[15:50.000 --> 15:52.000] Yes, I think so.
[15:52.000 --> 15:54.000] Maybe bisexual.
[15:54.000 --> 15:56.000] I have no idea.
[15:56.000 --> 15:58.000] Then I thought.
[15:58.000 --> 16:00.000] I think it's cool.
[16:00.000 --> 16:02.000] That you do it now.
[16:02.000 --> 16:04.000] To be more pronounced.
[16:04.000 --> 16:06.000] Is there a new era of models?
[16:06.000 --> 16:08.000] Do you think that's allowed?
[16:08.000 --> 16:10.000] That it can be more?
[16:10.000 --> 16:12.000] That you don't have to be subject to your work?
[16:12.000 --> 16:14.000] Or do you just want this?
[16:14.000 --> 16:16.000] I just wanted it now.
[16:18.000 --> 16:20.000] I think social media has changed a lot.
[16:20.000 --> 16:22.000] For models.
[16:22.000 --> 16:24.000] Because before that.
[16:24.000 --> 16:26.000] We had.
[16:26.000 --> 16:28.000] To put it bluntly.
[16:28.000 --> 16:30.000] No voice.
[16:30.000 --> 16:32.000] You were there for the way you looked.
[16:32.000 --> 16:34.000] The way you work.
[16:34.000 --> 16:36.000] The personality you have.
[16:36.000 --> 16:38.000] That can make sure you have a successful career.
[16:38.000 --> 16:40.000] But voiceless.
[16:40.000 --> 16:42.000] And through social media.
[16:42.000 --> 16:44.000] There has been quite a shift.
[16:44.000 --> 16:46.000] In the industry.
[16:46.000 --> 16:48.000] Where models have their own platform.
[16:48.000 --> 16:50.000] It took me a while.
[16:50.000 --> 16:52.000] Before I was comfortable enough.
[16:52.000 --> 16:54.000] With myself.
[16:54.000 --> 16:56.000] And a little more.
[16:56.000 --> 16:58.000] Behind my opinions.
[16:58.000 --> 17:00.000] Before I was on Instagram.
[17:00.000 --> 17:02.000] Showing more of myself.
[17:02.000 --> 17:04.000] I also think.
[17:04.000 --> 17:06.000] The kind of models.
[17:06.000 --> 17:08.000] That now does it well or works well.
[17:08.000 --> 17:10.000] Is different than 10 years ago.
[17:10.000 --> 17:12.000] Or 20 years ago.
[17:12.000 --> 17:14.000] It's more and more.
[17:14.000 --> 17:16.000] About personality.
[17:16.000 --> 17:18.000] And about the person you are.
[17:18.000 --> 17:20.000] Outside of your work.
[17:20.000 --> 17:22.000] If you do model work.
[17:22.000 --> 17:24.000] You hardly have a life.
[17:24.000 --> 17:26.000] You only work with it.
[17:26.000 --> 17:28.000] Fortunately it gets less.
[17:28.000 --> 17:30.000] But that's something.
[17:30.000 --> 17:32.000] I've noticed in the past year.
[17:32.000 --> 17:34.000] That I get a lot out of it.
[17:34.000 --> 17:36.000] If I post something.
[17:36.000 --> 17:38.000] About Iran.
[17:38.000 --> 17:40.000] Or about refugee work.
[17:40.000 --> 17:42.000] That I notice.
[17:42.000 --> 17:44.000] This feels good.
[17:44.000 --> 17:46.000] It was a long time.
[17:46.000 --> 17:48.000] That I thought.
[17:48.000 --> 17:50.000] I'm a model.
[17:50.000 --> 17:52.000] That's a big step for me.
[17:52.000 --> 17:54.000] Because it's something.
[17:54.000 --> 17:56.000] Personal for me.
[17:56.000 --> 17:58.000] Something I've doubted a lot.
[17:58.000 --> 18:00.000] My sexuality.
[18:00.000 --> 18:02.000] For a long time I thought.
[18:02.000 --> 18:04.000] There is something wrong.
[18:04.000 --> 18:06.000] But is this who I am?
[18:08.000 --> 18:10.000] You just said that.
[18:10.000 --> 18:12.000] How you told in the beginning.
[18:12.000 --> 18:14.000] That you were experimenting.
[18:14.000 --> 18:16.000] That was your hobby.
[18:16.000 --> 18:18.000] Then I didn't feel.
[18:18.000 --> 18:20.000] But that was part of it.
[18:20.000 --> 18:22.000] That you were still a Muslim.
[18:22.000 --> 18:24.000] That was part of it.
[18:24.000 --> 18:26.000] Sorry, it's not funny.
[18:26.000 --> 18:28.000] But in my relationship.
[18:28.000 --> 18:30.000] In my relationship with men.
[18:30.000 --> 18:32.000] Sexuality was always a problem.
[18:32.000 --> 18:34.000] So I thought.
[18:34.000 --> 18:36.000] There is something wrong with me.
[18:36.000 --> 18:38.000] That I don't want it.
[18:38.000 --> 18:40.000] Should I go to a sexologist?
[18:40.000 --> 18:42.000] What am I going to do with this?
[18:42.000 --> 18:44.000] It was only.
[18:44.000 --> 18:46.000] When I had a girlfriend.
[18:46.000 --> 18:48.000] Nothing wrong.
[18:48.000 --> 18:50.000] Nothing wrong.
[18:50.000 --> 18:52.000] So that was funny.
[18:52.000 --> 18:54.000] I had that struggle.
[18:54.000 --> 18:56.000] But also a relief.
[18:56.000 --> 18:58.000] When I realized it was lesbian.
[18:58.000 --> 19:00.000] This is a beautiful quote.
[19:02.000 --> 19:04.000] I had a poster in my bedroom.
[19:04.000 --> 19:06.000] Also when I was really young.
[19:06.000 --> 19:08.000] Under the theme.
[19:08.000 --> 19:10.000] Of Britney Spears.
[19:10.000 --> 19:12.000] You have a kind of.
[19:12.000 --> 19:14.000] How do you call it?
[19:14.000 --> 19:16.000] The slave for you.
[19:16.000 --> 19:18.000] That album.
[19:18.000 --> 19:20.000] The joke is.
[19:20.000 --> 19:22.000] I don't listen to her music.
[19:22.000 --> 19:24.000] And I thought it was Shakira.
[19:24.000 --> 19:26.000] Okay.
[19:26.000 --> 19:28.000] You both touch us.
[19:28.000 --> 19:30.000] With this quote.
[19:30.000 --> 19:32.000] Go ahead.
[19:32.000 --> 19:34.000] I had that poster.
[19:34.000 --> 19:36.000] Once in a poster shop.
[19:36.000 --> 19:38.000] And I was obsessed with that poster.
[19:38.000 --> 19:40.000] And I thought.
[19:40.000 --> 19:42.000] I listen to Shakira.
[19:42.000 --> 19:44.000] Oh my god.
[19:44.000 --> 19:46.000] Oh my god.
[19:46.000 --> 19:48.000] If you call yourself a fan of Shakira.
[19:48.000 --> 19:50.000] How did you think Britney Spears was Shakira?
[19:50.000 --> 19:52.000] I'm just curious.
[19:54.000 --> 19:56.000] Wow.
[19:56.000 --> 19:58.000] I wonder why.
[19:58.000 --> 20:00.000] Probably because.
[20:00.000 --> 20:02.000] Here's my argument.
[20:02.000 --> 20:04.000] On that poster.
[20:04.000 --> 20:06.000] She wears a bra.
[20:06.000 --> 20:08.000] And very low pants.
[20:08.000 --> 20:10.000] And a kind of.
[20:10.000 --> 20:12.000] That crown.
[20:12.000 --> 20:14.000] Which video clip of Shakira is it.
[20:14.000 --> 20:16.000] Where she for my feeling.
[20:16.000 --> 20:18.000] In a very low cut pants.
[20:18.000 --> 20:20.000] And a bra.
[20:20.000 --> 20:22.000] Walking through a crown.
[20:22.000 --> 20:24.000] Okay.
[20:24.000 --> 20:26.000] Every video of Shakira.
[20:26.000 --> 20:28.000] Are you familiar with her oeuvre?
[20:30.000 --> 20:32.000] She has never worn a high-waisted jeans.
[20:32.000 --> 20:34.000] I believe in her life.
[20:34.000 --> 20:36.000] That is not true.
[20:36.000 --> 20:38.000] She has never worn a high-waisted jeans.
[20:38.000 --> 20:40.000] I believe in her life.
[20:40.000 --> 20:42.000] But there you see a kind of transformation.
[20:42.000 --> 20:44.000] I was just thinking.
[20:44.000 --> 20:46.000] Actually mainly busy with her body.
[20:46.000 --> 20:48.000] Yes and the clothing.
[20:48.000 --> 20:50.000] You were already a bit of a high-waisted model.
[20:50.000 --> 20:52.000] That is clear.
[20:52.000 --> 20:54.000] But Britney slash Shakira.
[20:54.000 --> 20:56.000] And maybe a little later age.
[20:56.000 --> 20:58.000] That you then also.
[20:58.000 --> 21:00.000] That you watch certain series or movies.
[21:00.000 --> 21:02.000] That you thought.
[21:02.000 --> 21:04.000] Oh, Jodie Comer plays in it.
[21:04.000 --> 21:06.000] Uhm.
[21:06.000 --> 21:08.000] Jodie Comer was.
[21:08.000 --> 21:10.000] She laughed very hard.
[21:10.000 --> 21:12.000] Jodie Comer.
[21:12.000 --> 21:14.000] And I'm also thinking of.
[21:14.000 --> 21:16.000] Also Angelina Jolie.
[21:16.000 --> 21:18.000] In Girl Interrupted.
[21:18.000 --> 21:20.000] Also a bit in the type.
[21:22.000 --> 21:24.000] Problematic.
[21:24.000 --> 21:26.000] Mental problems.
[21:26.000 --> 21:28.000] I want to say describe your type.
[21:28.000 --> 21:30.000] Problematic.
[21:30.000 --> 21:32.000] Yes indeed.
[21:32.000 --> 21:34.000] Three things to describe your type.
[21:34.000 --> 21:36.000] Problematic is number one.
[21:36.000 --> 21:38.000] What are two and three?
[21:38.000 --> 21:40.000] Bossy.
[21:40.000 --> 21:42.000] Just says what it is.
[21:42.000 --> 21:44.000] And bossy.
[21:44.000 --> 21:46.000] I also like a bit grumpy.
[21:46.000 --> 21:48.000] Okay.
[21:48.000 --> 21:50.000] That is very nice.
[21:50.000 --> 21:52.000] Well are you.
[21:52.000 --> 21:54.000] Or do you know.
[21:54.000 --> 21:56.000] A very grumpy
[21:56.000 --> 21:58.000] Do you know an angry girl.
[21:58.000 --> 22:00.000] With a little problem here or there.
[22:00.000 --> 22:02.000] But you're looking for a grumpy
[22:02.000 --> 22:04.000] Or at least a top.
[22:04.000 --> 22:06.000] Can I conclude that from here?
[22:06.000 --> 22:08.000] I have a very grumpy girlfriend.
[22:08.000 --> 22:10.000] So I'm very happy with that.
[22:10.000 --> 22:12.000] Okay.
[22:12.000 --> 22:14.000] Is she also happy with it?
[22:14.000 --> 22:16.000] Or doesn't it look like that?
[22:16.000 --> 22:18.000] Because that doesn't fit her grumpy image.
[22:18.000 --> 22:20.000] How long have you been in a relationship?
[22:20.000 --> 22:22.000] We met each other about a year ago.
[22:22.000 --> 22:24.000] A little longer than a year.
[22:24.000 --> 22:26.000] And I think we've had something like that for six months.
[22:26.000 --> 22:28.000] Getting married?
[22:28.000 --> 22:30.000] Yes, you can't get out of it.
[22:30.000 --> 22:32.000] She's French.
[22:32.000 --> 22:34.000] So that also fits my image.
[22:34.000 --> 22:36.000] That would be number four.
[22:36.000 --> 22:38.000] Just French and talk like this.
[22:42.000 --> 22:44.000] I think that's very sexy.
[22:46.000 --> 22:48.000] She's also a model.
[22:48.000 --> 22:50.000] My previous girlfriend was also a model.
[22:50.000 --> 22:52.000] When I got to know her.
[22:52.000 --> 22:54.000] I was like, do I have to do it again?
[22:54.000 --> 22:56.000] Then it's so connected to my work.
[22:58.000 --> 23:00.000] I don't know if I want that.
[23:00.000 --> 23:02.000] And she was also the first one
[23:02.000 --> 23:04.000] that I liked someone who was a bit younger.
[23:06.000 --> 23:08.000] Do you want to specify what a bit younger is?
[23:08.000 --> 23:10.000] Yes, she is young.
[23:10.000 --> 23:12.000] Do you want another minute?
[23:12.000 --> 23:14.000] How young?
[23:14.000 --> 23:16.000] Tell me more.
[23:16.000 --> 23:18.000] She is still young.
[23:18.000 --> 23:20.000] She is 20.
[23:20.000 --> 23:22.000] But I was a little nervous,.
[23:22.000 --> 23:24.000] I wasn't out for a long time, with a girlfriend.
[23:24.000 --> 23:26.000] So it was weird.
[23:28.000 --> 23:30.000] But I'm very happy with her.
[23:32.000 --> 23:34.000] What should I say first?
[23:34.000 --> 23:36.000] I think it's a healthy relationship.
[23:36.000 --> 23:38.000] Which is really nice.
[23:38.000 --> 23:40.000] Can I say something?
[23:40.000 --> 23:42.000] What else are you going to say?
[23:42.000 --> 23:44.000] She is nice and grumpy.
[23:46.000 --> 23:48.000] Not so problematic.
[23:48.000 --> 23:50.000] Not so problematic.
[23:50.000 --> 23:52.000] And how did that go?
[23:52.000 --> 23:54.000] Who adored who?
[23:54.000 --> 23:56.000] I suspect.
[23:56.000 --> 23:58.000] Was it a look?
[23:58.000 --> 24:00.000] She looked at you and you laughed very hard.
[24:00.000 --> 24:02.000] Or was this already in the ...
[24:02.000 --> 24:04.000] How long have I been talking to you, Rianne?
[24:04.000 --> 24:06.000] That there is such a chart as the L word.
[24:06.000 --> 24:08.000] That it is also in the model world.
[24:08.000 --> 24:10.000] The longer I hear you talk, I think I should have been there.
[24:10.000 --> 24:12.000] Totally.
[24:12.000 --> 24:14.000] Is that really so?
[24:14.000 --> 24:16.000] I have to say.
[24:16.000 --> 24:18.000] That was really exciting.
[24:18.000 --> 24:20.000] I thought, oh, now she's on a date too.
[24:22.000 --> 24:24.000] Oh my God, I've never thought about it myself.
[24:24.000 --> 24:26.000] But it's true.
[24:26.000 --> 24:28.000] I should make a chart.
[24:28.000 --> 24:30.000] And who is the Shane in that chart?
[24:30.000 --> 24:32.000] Yes, I know who that is.
[24:32.000 --> 24:34.000] But I have to say.
[24:38.000 --> 24:40.000] No, she totally hit on me.
[24:40.000 --> 24:42.000] I was at the catering.
[24:42.000 --> 24:44.000] And she came up to me.
[24:44.000 --> 24:46.000] And she had a kind of story.
[24:46.000 --> 24:48.000] That you have to get at least 10 hugs a day.
[24:48.000 --> 24:50.000] From people.
[24:50.000 --> 24:52.000] So this was a kind of her saying...
[24:52.000 --> 24:54.000] Oh yes, we sometimes have to hug.
[24:54.000 --> 24:56.000] What a good opening scene, I love it.
[24:58.000 --> 25:00.000] And then at some point.
[25:00.000 --> 25:02.000] We were just chatting.
[25:02.000 --> 25:04.000] And then someone came up to me.
[25:04.000 --> 25:06.000] And then I kind of walked away, because I still had to do something.
[25:06.000 --> 25:08.000] And then before I left, she said.
[25:08.000 --> 25:10.000] I am very bad at this.
[25:10.000 --> 25:12.000] But I'm going to try.
[25:12.000 --> 25:14.000] Maybe one day we can have a drink together.
[25:14.000 --> 25:16.000] And I was in shock.
[25:16.000 --> 25:18.000] I thought, oh my God.
[25:18.000 --> 25:20.000] This 20-year-old girl.
[25:20.000 --> 25:22.000] She just says, okay, let's go.
[25:22.000 --> 25:24.000] Let's go Lesbians!
[25:24.000 --> 25:26.000] So then it actually went.
[25:26.000 --> 25:28.000] Then we kind of went on Instagram.
[25:28.000 --> 25:30.000] You stalk her a bit online.
[25:30.000 --> 25:32.000] Check everything out.
[25:32.000 --> 25:34.000] Yes, check everything out.
[25:34.000 --> 25:36.000] Send memes.
[25:36.000 --> 25:38.000] Always a very good check.
[25:38.000 --> 25:40.000] Let's see what level we are at.
[25:40.000 --> 25:42.000] That's a good lesbian flirting 101, right?
[25:42.000 --> 25:44.000] Or horoscopes. Are you also in a horoscope?
[25:44.000 --> 25:46.000] No.
[25:46.000 --> 25:48.000] Thank you, that's nice.
[25:48.000 --> 25:50.000] It's very relaxing.
[25:50.000 --> 25:52.000] It's very nice to get a little support.
[25:52.000 --> 25:54.000] For this background noise.
[25:54.000 --> 25:56.000] I'm not in a horoscope either.
[25:56.000 --> 25:58.000] No, neither are we.
[25:58.000 --> 26:00.000] But I also think horoscopes are so.
[26:00.000 --> 26:02.000] I mean, if there's anything I like about being with women.
[26:02.000 --> 26:04.000] Is that it's just so low.
[26:04.000 --> 26:06.000] You know, there are just so many aspects.
[26:06.000 --> 26:08.000] To personalities.
[26:08.000 --> 26:10.000] For example, men are sometimes a bit flat.
[26:10.000 --> 26:12.000] But if we have a horoscope.
[26:12.000 --> 26:14.000] Then you just throw everyone on their head.
[26:14.000 --> 26:16.000] And say, this is very weird.
[26:16.000 --> 26:18.000] And what are you?
[26:18.000 --> 26:20.000] For good order?
[26:20.000 --> 26:22.000] It sounds very much like a.
[26:22.000 --> 26:24.000] I'm a Capricorn.
[26:24.000 --> 26:26.000] Seabrook.
[26:26.000 --> 26:28.000] Yes, I would like to say something about that.
[26:28.000 --> 26:30.000] But I have no idea.
[26:30.000 --> 26:32.000] We're not going to dare.
[26:32.000 --> 26:34.000] But we do have a lame idea.
[26:34.000 --> 26:36.000] Is of course the beautiful series The L Word.
[26:36.000 --> 26:38.000] Have you ever seen it?
[26:38.000 --> 26:40.000] Sporadically I have.
[26:40.000 --> 26:42.000] Maybe I saw the first season in total.
[26:42.000 --> 26:44.000] I'm through June.
[26:44.000 --> 26:46.000] Generation Q.
[26:46.000 --> 26:48.000] And are you happy with that?
[26:48.000 --> 26:50.000] Yes, I did enjoy it.
[26:50.000 --> 26:52.000] I did find it very Gen Z.
[26:52.000 --> 26:54.000] Are you not Gen Z?
[26:54.000 --> 26:56.000] Then I feel old.
[26:56.000 --> 26:58.000] You're Gen Z, right?
[26:58.000 --> 27:00.000] No, I think my girlfriend is Gen Z.
[27:00.000 --> 27:02.000] She's also the whole time.
[27:02.000 --> 27:04.000] When I'm messing with my phone.
[27:04.000 --> 27:06.000] Or with my laptop.
[27:06.000 --> 27:08.000] And she goes like this.
[27:08.000 --> 27:10.000] For fun.
[27:10.000 --> 27:12.000] She fixes everything.
[27:12.000 --> 27:14.000] She's a real IT specialist.
[27:14.000 --> 27:16.000] Big, big energy.
[27:16.000 --> 27:18.000] I love it.
[27:18.000 --> 27:20.000] Generation Q.
[27:20.000 --> 27:22.000] Who would you choose as your favorite character?
[27:22.000 --> 27:24.000] From The L Word?
[27:24.000 --> 27:26.000] I think
[27:26.000 --> 27:28.000] Bette Porter.
[27:28.000 --> 27:30.000] And Alice.
[27:30.000 --> 27:32.000] I think the combination of the two.
[27:32.000 --> 27:34.000] That's the perfect relationship for me.
[27:34.000 --> 27:36.000] The troubled Bette Porter.
[27:36.000 --> 27:38.000] Exactly.
[27:38.000 --> 27:40.000] And a kind of bossy.
[27:40.000 --> 27:42.000] And packing.
[27:42.000 --> 27:44.000] Does packing do anything for you?
[27:44.000 --> 27:46.000] Or do you think, I've seen everything.
[27:46.000 --> 27:48.000] It leaves me completely cold what someone is wearing.
[27:48.000 --> 27:50.000] No, I like a suit.
[27:50.000 --> 27:52.000] And a blouse.
[27:52.000 --> 27:54.000] We agree.
[27:54.000 --> 27:56.000] And a tank top.
[27:56.000 --> 27:58.000] A tank top.
[27:58.000 --> 28:00.000] And then a jacket.
[28:00.000 --> 28:02.000] And a pair of pants.
[28:02.000 --> 28:04.000] Live from Paris.
[28:12.000 --> 28:14.000] As the
[28:14.000 --> 28:16.000] lesbian fashion item of
[28:16.000 --> 28:18.000] winter 2022.
[28:18.000 --> 28:20.000] You have to choose one.
[28:20.000 --> 28:22.000] What will be the
[28:22.000 --> 28:24.000] unmissable thing out of the closet?
[28:24.000 --> 28:26.000] Wow, this is a double-edged sword.
[28:26.000 --> 28:28.000] Wow.
[28:28.000 --> 28:30.000] I have to.
[28:30.000 --> 28:32.000] Maybe it's not quite winter.
[28:32.000 --> 28:34.000] It's more when you're in the club.
[28:34.000 --> 28:36.000] But then I would say a tank top.
[28:36.000 --> 28:38.000] A bit loose.
[28:38.000 --> 28:40.000] Some lesbians wear
[28:40.000 --> 28:42.000] a tank top with a very
[28:42.000 --> 28:44.000] low cut under your arms.
[28:44.000 --> 28:46.000] Yes.
[28:46.000 --> 28:48.000] But then see-through.
[28:48.000 --> 28:50.000] Okay, so
[28:50.000 --> 28:52.000] it doesn't matter.
[28:52.000 --> 28:54.000] Your tip is don't do anything.
[28:54.000 --> 28:56.000] Your tip is get cold in the club.
[28:56.000 --> 28:58.000] I would like to see this.
[28:58.000 --> 29:00.000] You would like to see this.
[29:00.000 --> 29:02.000] Okay, thank you, Rianne van Rompuy.
[29:02.000 --> 29:04.000] Incredibly special, this tip.
[29:04.000 --> 29:06.000] I'm going with the see-through.
[29:06.000 --> 29:08.000] We're going all the way.
[29:08.000 --> 29:10.000] Look at our podcast.
[29:10.000 --> 29:12.000] What I wanted to ask you, by the way,
[29:12.000 --> 29:14.000] is I'm also a few of the people
[29:14.000 --> 29:16.000] you follow on Instagram.
[29:16.000 --> 29:18.000] I just like it.
[29:18.000 --> 29:20.000] I pretend it's for this podcast,
[29:20.000 --> 29:22.000] not out of my own obsession, but that's fine.
[29:22.000 --> 29:24.000] And I also saw that you follow Abby Jacobson there.
[29:24.000 --> 29:26.000] Is that because you've seen her series?
[29:26.000 --> 29:28.000] No, I haven't seen it.
[29:28.000 --> 29:30.000] I want to watch it, but I watch
[29:30.000 --> 29:32.000] Broad City.
[29:32.000 --> 29:34.000] Fantastic.
[29:34.000 --> 29:36.000] I wish I was sometimes.
[29:36.000 --> 29:38.000] I think it's so lovely in New York.
[29:38.000 --> 29:40.000] So chaotic and so
[29:40.000 --> 29:42.000] sexually explicit.
[29:42.000 --> 29:44.000] The kind of jokes they make.
[29:44.000 --> 29:46.000] I really want this to be the standard
[29:46.000 --> 29:48.000] for women.
[29:48.000 --> 29:50.000] I really admire
[29:50.000 --> 29:52.000] the sexual jokes they make.
[29:52.000 --> 29:54.000] It's really fantastic.
[29:54.000 --> 29:56.000] They have a lot of see-through tops.
[29:56.000 --> 29:58.000] A lot of what?
[29:58.000 --> 30:00.000] See-through tops.
[30:00.000 --> 30:02.000] Yes, definitely.
[30:02.000 --> 30:04.000] Oh, maybe we can make see-through tops
[30:04.000 --> 30:06.000] with lesbian league on it.
[30:06.000 --> 30:08.000] If you want to campaign it,
[30:08.000 --> 30:10.000] then absolutely.
[30:10.000 --> 30:12.000] Is this a good word?
[30:12.000 --> 30:14.000] Is this a valid word?
[30:14.000 --> 30:16.000] What did you mean to say?
[30:16.000 --> 30:18.000] I wanted to be a model for it.
[30:18.000 --> 30:20.000] Campaigning.
[30:20.000 --> 30:22.000] A mix of campaigning
[30:22.000 --> 30:24.000] and campaigning.
[30:24.000 --> 30:26.000] Very special.
[30:26.000 --> 30:28.000] And what I also liked to see is that you
[30:28.000 --> 30:30.000] follow quite a lot of plant care
[30:30.000 --> 30:32.000] accounts.
[30:32.000 --> 30:34.000] I thought that was nice.
[30:34.000 --> 30:36.000] And Patagonia.
[30:36.000 --> 30:38.000] Patagonia and plant accounts.
[30:38.000 --> 30:40.000] I really thought so.
[30:42.000 --> 30:44.000] And I was wondering what was
[30:44.000 --> 30:46.000] actually the most important thing for you?
[30:46.000 --> 30:48.000] So you thought I would like to do this interview now.
[30:48.000 --> 30:50.000] Is there anything you kind of
[30:50.000 --> 30:52.000] wanted to tell, what you wanted to lose?
[30:52.000 --> 30:54.000] Or maybe you wanted listeners
[30:54.000 --> 30:56.000] who may still be in a doubting phase
[30:56.000 --> 30:58.000] or still trying
[30:58.000 --> 31:00.000] to figure out who or what
[31:00.000 --> 31:02.000] they are, what you want to lose from them.
[31:02.000 --> 31:04.000] Yes, I think so.
[31:04.000 --> 31:06.000] And I think that's also why I
[31:06.000 --> 31:08.000] didn't stop you
[31:08.000 --> 31:10.000] from coming.
[31:10.000 --> 31:12.000] For me
[31:12.000 --> 31:14.000] it was, and that was also
[31:14.000 --> 31:16.000] I have to say, when I actually
[31:16.000 --> 31:18.000] started listening to lesbian league.
[31:18.000 --> 31:20.000] And because of that, I watched Generation Q
[31:20.000 --> 31:22.000] and the L word is that I
[31:22.000 --> 31:24.000] somewhere
[31:24.000 --> 31:26.000] sometimes the idea of, oh, I actually miss
[31:26.000 --> 31:28.000] a kind of lesbian community.
[31:28.000 --> 31:30.000] Or that I have the feeling that
[31:30.000 --> 31:32.000] I know that I'm not the only one.
[31:32.000 --> 31:34.000] But still a lot
[31:34.000 --> 31:36.000] of my female friends are straight.
[31:36.000 --> 31:38.000] Which is why I
[31:38.000 --> 31:40.000] for a long time, you know what
[31:40.000 --> 31:42.000] I just described, that kind of doubt
[31:42.000 --> 31:44.000] and that actually being a late bloomer.
[31:44.000 --> 31:46.000] That I hoped somewhere
[31:46.000 --> 31:48.000] that maybe I could
[31:48.000 --> 31:50.000] tell my story that other
[31:50.000 --> 31:52.000] girls who also have that,
[31:52.000 --> 31:54.000] who actually later in their lives, whether that
[31:54.000 --> 31:56.000] is in their twenties or thirties or forties
[31:56.000 --> 31:58.000] or whatever, if they are 80.
[31:58.000 --> 32:00.000] Maybe they can think, oh, that's also possible.
[32:00.000 --> 32:02.000] You can also suddenly realize
[32:02.000 --> 32:04.000] that you actually
[32:04.000 --> 32:06.000] liked something very different than what you
[32:06.000 --> 32:08.000] had thought all this time.
[32:08.000 --> 32:10.000] The fact that I myself have now come to a point
[32:10.000 --> 32:12.000] that I have accepted that
[32:12.000 --> 32:14.000] and that I am happy with it and that I
[32:14.000 --> 32:16.000] feel relieved. Oh no, but this
[32:16.000 --> 32:18.000] is a big part of who I am and that's okay.
[32:18.000 --> 32:20.000] And it feels so good
[32:20.000 --> 32:22.000] that I hope somewhere
[32:22.000 --> 32:24.000] that maybe people
[32:24.000 --> 32:26.000] can recognize themselves in it.
[32:26.000 --> 32:28.000] And for me, and that is a big difference for me,
[32:28.000 --> 32:30.000] is that I feel like
[32:30.000 --> 32:32.000] it's kind of
[32:32.000 --> 32:34.000] music, a kind of tearjerker.
[32:34.000 --> 32:36.000] We're doing a violin here.
[32:36.000 --> 32:38.000] That I feel like I can be completely myself.
[32:38.000 --> 32:40.000] And that
[32:40.000 --> 32:42.000] I always had a heterosexual
[32:42.000 --> 32:44.000] relationship, that I felt like I was
[32:44.000 --> 32:46.000] trying to fit in a corner where I
[32:46.000 --> 32:48.000] just didn't quite fit in.
[32:48.000 --> 32:50.000] And that I'm sitting here now,
[32:50.000 --> 32:52.000] oh, this is life.
[32:56.000 --> 32:58.000] The lesbian clubhouse, welcome,
[32:58.000 --> 33:00.000] I would like to say, right? It's very cozy here.
[33:00.000 --> 33:02.000] Very cozy. Oh, may I also say
[33:02.000 --> 33:04.000] one thing? I always thought that the lesbian
[33:04.000 --> 33:06.000] miga was about those cookies.
[33:06.000 --> 33:08.000] It's hard to interpret,
[33:08.000 --> 33:10.000] because I once had a colleague who thought
[33:10.000 --> 33:12.000] that it came from licking the cookies
[33:12.000 --> 33:14.000] that it was based on that.
[33:14.000 --> 33:16.000] Women's sex.
[33:16.000 --> 33:18.000] And then I said, oh, very nice that you thought about it for so long.
[33:18.000 --> 33:20.000] But actually it was,
[33:20.000 --> 33:22.000] no, this is also a good answer. It's also the cookie.
[33:22.000 --> 33:24.000] It's the liga, it's everything.
[33:24.000 --> 33:26.000] Whatever you want it to be.
[33:26.000 --> 33:28.000] But I also like clubhouse.
[33:30.000 --> 33:32.000] A good second.
[33:32.000 --> 33:34.000] It also feels a bit like a kind of summer camp
[33:34.000 --> 33:36.000] idea.
[33:36.000 --> 33:38.000] With Patagonia and those woodcutter's
[33:38.000 --> 33:40.000] and a little bit like that.
[33:40.000 --> 33:42.000] At the fire, a little bit in canoes.
[33:42.000 --> 33:44.000] Oh, I see that very much.
[33:44.000 --> 33:46.000] Are you a cottagecore lesbian?
[33:46.000 --> 33:48.000] I don't understand this well, because I hear canoes.
[33:48.000 --> 33:50.000] Is it your ultimate dream to be in a house in Sweden
[33:50.000 --> 33:52.000] to pick a little bit of bats?
[33:52.000 --> 33:54.000] Or how should I see it?
[33:54.000 --> 33:56.000] Yes, I would think so,
[33:56.000 --> 33:58.000] bats.
[33:58.000 --> 34:00.000] I think more in Corsica,
[34:00.000 --> 34:02.000] a little bit in the mountains.
[34:02.000 --> 34:04.000] A little cold,
[34:04.000 --> 34:06.000] so cold.
[34:06.000 --> 34:08.000] And then
[34:08.000 --> 34:10.000] canoes, but also
[34:10.000 --> 34:12.000] I love canyoning.
[34:12.000 --> 34:14.000] So that you're going through a river
[34:14.000 --> 34:16.000] and have to jump and glide.
[34:18.000 --> 34:20.000] Those tour guides
[34:20.000 --> 34:22.000] are always in a hurry.
[34:22.000 --> 34:24.000] They have to go through, through, through.
[34:24.000 --> 34:26.000] This is really Let's Go Lesbians.
[34:26.000 --> 34:28.000] This is really Let's Go Lesbians.
[34:28.000 --> 34:30.000] And that you just
[34:30.000 --> 34:32.000] come through the river.
[34:32.000 --> 34:34.000] This is what I envision now.
[34:34.000 --> 34:36.000] And one last question before we go to the dilemma.
[34:36.000 --> 34:38.000] That is of course, look, you are
[34:38.000 --> 34:40.000] a big star and international
[34:40.000 --> 34:42.000] of course. And then we always wonder.
[34:42.000 --> 34:44.000] We had an earlier conversation with
[34:44.000 --> 34:46.000] Marten Woerdman. She told
[34:46.000 --> 34:48.000] openly and broadly about who all
[34:48.000 --> 34:50.000] was in her DMs.
[34:50.000 --> 34:52.000] Look, we're just simple girls
[34:52.000 --> 34:54.000] from Holland. Simple lesbians
[34:54.000 --> 34:56.000] in garden pants. We think
[34:56.000 --> 34:58.000] that kind of information is just fun.
[34:58.000 --> 35:00.000] Who is the most famous person in your DMs
[35:00.000 --> 35:02.000] who can be interesting for the lesbian league?
[35:02.000 --> 35:04.000] It's not a big DM.
[35:04.000 --> 35:06.000] But I once
[35:06.000 --> 35:08.000] made a very good attempt
[35:08.000 --> 35:10.000] to go to the casino
[35:10.000 --> 35:12.000] with Kristen Stewart.
[35:12.000 --> 35:14.000] We did a Chanel show in Monaco.
[35:14.000 --> 35:16.000] And then there was a dinner
[35:16.000 --> 35:18.000] and an afterparty.
[35:18.000 --> 35:20.000] And I was with a good friend of mine, Mika.
[35:20.000 --> 35:22.000] And it was really fun. Neal Rogers came to perform.
[35:22.000 --> 35:24.000] We really enjoyed it.
[35:24.000 --> 35:26.000] While enough afterparties
[35:26.000 --> 35:28.000] are really boring.
[35:28.000 --> 35:30.000] But this was, we were all in
[35:30.000 --> 35:32.000] kind of Dutch Chanel outfits.
[35:32.000 --> 35:34.000] Arms up. And then
[35:34.000 --> 35:36.000] at the end, most people were gone.
[35:36.000 --> 35:38.000] But Kristen Stewart was still there.
[35:38.000 --> 35:40.000] And then we were talking
[35:40.000 --> 35:42.000] and then we had something like, okay, we want to go somewhere else.
[35:42.000 --> 35:44.000] And then she said, oh,
[35:44.000 --> 35:46.000] I don't know, I don't understand how people try to imitate.
[35:46.000 --> 35:48.000] No, I also got the look
[35:48.000 --> 35:50.000] right away. I liked that.
[35:50.000 --> 35:52.000] We talked about sarcastic people.
[35:52.000 --> 35:54.000] Kristen Stewart said yes. Kristen Stewart is allowed.
[35:54.000 --> 35:56.000] So then she said, oh yeah,
[35:56.000 --> 35:58.000] we're going to the casino. You wanna join us?
[35:58.000 --> 36:00.000] And I was like,
[36:00.000 --> 36:02.000] uh, yeah, okay, maybe.
[36:06.000 --> 36:08.000] So we all went to the casino.
[36:08.000 --> 36:10.000] And I thought, oh my God,
[36:10.000 --> 36:12.000] this is going to be such a fun night.
[36:12.000 --> 36:14.000] We were going to spend the whole night with Kristen Stewart
[36:14.000 --> 36:16.000] in the casino.
[36:16.000 --> 36:18.000] And then the casino was closed.
[36:20.000 --> 36:22.000] That dream
[36:22.000 --> 36:24.000] fell into oblivion.
[36:24.000 --> 36:26.000] And
[36:26.000 --> 36:28.000] that was my story
[36:28.000 --> 36:30.000] with Kristen Stewart.
[36:30.000 --> 36:32.000] Then it was just over and out.
[36:32.000 --> 36:34.000] In Monaco, when the casino is closed,
[36:34.000 --> 36:36.000] there is nowhere else you can go.
[36:36.000 --> 36:38.000] Oh, okay.
[36:38.000 --> 36:40.000] And then everyone went their own way.
[36:40.000 --> 36:42.000] Everyone in their own car.
[36:42.000 --> 36:44.000] And then I was waving like this.
[36:44.000 --> 36:46.000] You with your hand on such a window.
[36:50.000 --> 36:52.000] Wow, this was
[36:52.000 --> 36:54.000] perhaps the best anecdote.
[36:54.000 --> 36:56.000] Warm.
[36:56.000 --> 36:58.000] You like trouble,
[36:58.000 --> 37:00.000] so maybe I already know the answer.
[37:00.000 --> 37:02.000] You're at an afterparty.
[37:02.000 --> 37:04.000] You're at an afterparty.
[37:04.000 --> 37:06.000] There's a blind guy
[37:06.000 --> 37:08.000] driving past.
[37:08.000 --> 37:10.000] Hello Rianne, you want to come in the car?
[37:10.000 --> 37:12.000] Yes, we are going
[37:12.000 --> 37:14.000] to the casino with
[37:14.000 --> 37:16.000] Jenny Schechter or with
[37:16.000 --> 37:18.000] Tina. Tina whispers.
[37:18.000 --> 37:20.000] So then you think, what are you saying?
[37:20.000 --> 37:22.000] And she says, do you want to go to the casino with me?
[37:24.000 --> 37:26.000] Do I have to choose?
[37:26.000 --> 37:28.000] Yes, that's the concept.
[37:28.000 --> 37:30.000] No, then I'll go
[37:30.000 --> 37:32.000] anyway.
[37:32.000 --> 37:34.000] If it's more of a one-night thing,
[37:34.000 --> 37:36.000] then I'll go for Jenny.
[37:36.000 --> 37:38.000] I have to say, I find them both a bit difficult.
[37:38.000 --> 37:40.000] Just a bit of that
[37:40.000 --> 37:42.000] too cheerful.
[37:42.000 --> 37:44.000] No, I'm kidding.
[37:46.000 --> 37:48.000] Well, Jenny wouldn't describe her as cheerful.
[37:48.000 --> 37:50.000] No, true.
[37:50.000 --> 37:52.000] So Jenny is coming my way.
[37:52.000 --> 37:54.000] Excited, cozy, that's going to be a good evening.
[37:54.000 --> 37:56.000] Nice to the fairgrounds.
[37:56.000 --> 37:58.000] No, great.
[37:58.000 --> 38:00.000] We are super happy
[38:00.000 --> 38:02.000] that you wanted to talk to us.
[38:02.000 --> 38:04.000] You want to act too, right?
[38:04.000 --> 38:06.000] Yes, that's right.
[38:06.000 --> 38:08.000] I want you in The L Words. What do I have to do for that?
[38:08.000 --> 38:10.000] We're going to get people in trouble.
[38:10.000 --> 38:12.000] Yes, get people in trouble.
[38:12.000 --> 38:14.000] If someone is still looking for a kind of red-haired lesbian
[38:14.000 --> 38:16.000] for a movie, series, whatever.
[38:16.000 --> 38:18.000] Will there be a short film
[38:18.000 --> 38:20.000] of The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo?
[38:20.000 --> 38:22.000] Do you know that book?
[38:22.000 --> 38:24.000] Yes, when you talked about it, I looked it up.
[38:24.000 --> 38:26.000] Because I still thought
[38:26.000 --> 38:28.000] I have to do something with this.
[38:28.000 --> 38:30.000] It's about a red-haired lesbian.
[38:30.000 --> 38:32.000] I think it's cast.
[38:32.000 --> 38:34.000] Well, not if someone breaks their leg.
[38:36.000 --> 38:38.000] We're going to sabotage now.
[38:40.000 --> 38:42.000] You don't know.
[38:42.000 --> 38:44.000] That's the only thing I want to lose.
[38:44.000 --> 38:46.000] Do you know Tonya Harding?
[38:46.000 --> 38:48.000] No, you would love to do that again.
[38:48.000 --> 38:50.000] I thought it was a dream.
[38:50.000 --> 38:52.000] Yes, I would love to.
[38:52.000 --> 38:54.000] I'm at a point where
[38:54.000 --> 38:56.000] I've made my name as a model somewhere.
[38:56.000 --> 38:58.000] And I can use it.
[38:58.000 --> 39:00.000] Because that's how I get to know people.
[39:00.000 --> 39:02.000] And I'm closer to the industry.
[39:02.000 --> 39:04.000] But I also notice
[39:04.000 --> 39:06.000] I need the first person.
[39:06.000 --> 39:08.000] The first film, the first project.
[39:08.000 --> 39:10.000] Where someone says, okay, I know
[39:10.000 --> 39:12.000] you haven't done anything yet.
[39:12.000 --> 39:14.000] But I'm going to bet on you.
[39:14.000 --> 39:16.000] I do a lot of workshops.
[39:16.000 --> 39:18.000] I'm busy with my agents.
[39:18.000 --> 39:20.000] With film agents.
[39:20.000 --> 39:22.000] To convince people.
[39:22.000 --> 39:24.000] But that's really the dream.
[39:26.000 --> 39:28.000] I just want to be Cate Blanchett.
[39:30.000 --> 39:32.000] I just wanted to say.
[39:32.000 --> 39:34.000] Your reunion with Kristen Stewart
[39:34.000 --> 39:36.000] will be on the film set.
[39:36.000 --> 39:38.000] She's going to make a horror sci-fi series.
[39:38.000 --> 39:40.000] About lesbian ghost hunters.
[39:40.000 --> 39:42.000] So maybe you can send her a DM.
[39:42.000 --> 39:44.000] Seriously?
[39:44.000 --> 39:46.000] She's going to direct and write herself.
[39:46.000 --> 39:48.000] You can send her a DM.
[39:48.000 --> 39:50.000] Do you remember the casino?
[39:50.000 --> 39:52.000] Do you remember the beautiful evening?
[39:54.000 --> 39:56.000] Okay, to be continued.
[39:56.000 --> 39:58.000] See you soon.
[39:58.000 --> 40:00.000] Or maybe once on Janie, for example.
[40:00.000 --> 40:02.000] We saw that you also follow Janie on Instagram.
[40:02.000 --> 40:04.000] We get everything we've seen on Instagram.
[40:04.000 --> 40:06.000] I really want to go there.
[40:06.000 --> 40:08.000] I've never been there.
[40:08.000 --> 40:10.000] What I also like is Pamela.
[40:10.000 --> 40:12.000] Sure.
[40:16.000 --> 40:18.000] Pamela, very nice.
[40:18.000 --> 40:20.000] But you can hardly ever go out.
[40:20.000 --> 40:22.000] I can go out.
[40:22.000 --> 40:24.000] But I'm not often in the Netherlands.
[40:24.000 --> 40:26.000] That's a problem.
[40:26.000 --> 40:28.000] It's one big chaos.
[40:30.000 --> 40:32.000] But no, I go out sometimes.
[40:32.000 --> 40:34.000] If you see someone in the corner.
[40:34.000 --> 40:36.000] With a fleece vest on.
[40:36.000 --> 40:38.000] And a sign up.
[40:38.000 --> 40:40.000] Are you chivalrous?
[40:40.000 --> 40:42.000] Then you know you have Rianne.
[40:44.000 --> 40:46.000] Give her a poster of Shakira.
[40:46.000 --> 40:48.000] Then Britney Spears.
[40:48.000 --> 40:50.000] Exactly.
[40:50.000 --> 40:52.000] Finally, in your most beautiful French.
[40:52.000 --> 40:54.000] Au revoir or with an angry accent.
[40:54.000 --> 40:56.000] How would you like to end?
[40:56.000 --> 40:58.000] Au revoir.
[41:02.000 --> 41:04.000] Au revoir.
[41:04.000 --> 41:06.000] See you soon.
[41:06.000 --> 41:08.000] In the corner of Janie Pamela.
[41:08.000 --> 41:10.000] With your Bambi eyes.
[41:10.000 --> 41:12.000] Rianne.
[41:14.000 --> 41:16.000] While I don't even dare to talk.
[41:16.000 --> 41:18.000] In the presence of a top model.
[41:18.000 --> 41:20.000] You did a great job.
[41:20.000 --> 41:22.000] I said the word model.
[41:22.000 --> 41:24.000] You often said top and bottom.
[41:24.000 --> 41:26.000] I thought that was great.
[41:26.000 --> 41:28.000] Especially that they didn't really react to it.
[41:28.000 --> 41:30.000] But what would they be?
[41:30.000 --> 41:32.000] That's the only thing you didn't hear.
[41:32.000 --> 41:34.000] I have decided.
[41:34.000 --> 41:36.000] I have to think about what else is fun.
[41:36.000 --> 41:38.000] I recently met someone who works with Marcia van Roosmalen.
[41:38.000 --> 41:40.000] Do you know what he always calls us?
[41:40.000 --> 41:42.000] Or he sometimes has it about our podcast.
[41:42.000 --> 41:44.000] I think he likes it.
[41:44.000 --> 41:46.000] He calls us the Lesbian Alliance.
[41:46.000 --> 41:48.000] Which I think is quite a funny name.
[41:48.000 --> 41:50.000] This is us when we go skating to the league.
[41:50.000 --> 41:52.000] The Lesbian Alliance.
[41:52.000 --> 41:54.000] It has such a different meaning than the Lesbian League.
[41:54.000 --> 41:56.000] We are the Alliance.
[41:56.000 --> 41:58.000] And we come to recruit you.
[41:58.000 --> 42:00.000] We are going to do this.
[42:00.000 --> 42:02.000] I'm looking forward to the events that are coming up.
[42:02.000 --> 42:04.000] Me too.
[42:04.000 --> 42:06.000] But until then, you can also enjoy one of the other podcasts of 3FM.
[42:06.000 --> 42:08.000] Like this one.
[42:08.000 --> 42:10.000] 3FM Podcast.
[42:10.000 --> 42:12.000] Rob and Wijnand.
[42:12.000 --> 42:14.000] And the best of 3FM.
[42:14.000 --> 42:16.000] Hi, I'm Rob.
[42:16.000 --> 42:18.000] I'm Wijnand.
[42:18.000 --> 42:20.000] And I'm Lideke.
[42:20.000 --> 42:22.000] And every week we discuss the best moments of 3FM with you.
[42:22.000 --> 42:24.000] This podcast is for people who enjoy fun things.
[42:24.000 --> 42:26.000] Enjoy new artists.
[42:26.000 --> 42:28.000] You can laugh along with a two-category game.
[42:28.000 --> 42:30.000] It's a night of fun.
[42:32.000 --> 42:34.000] Listen to Rob and Wijnand now.
[42:34.000 --> 42:36.000] And the best of 3FM.
[42:36.000 --> 42:38.000] In the 3FM app.
[42:38.000 --> 42:40.000] Or your favorite podcast platform.
[42:40.000 --> 42:42.000] Or on YouTube. Did you know that?
[42:42.000 --> 42:44.000] Oh yes, you can also watch.