I was unfortunate enough to have been exposed to a presentation by a thoughtless creep.

What, using shaming language is wrong? You should tell that to the presenter that shamed men he doesn't even know without limits. 

 

People still use the word 'virgin' as an insult, it seems, but this cretin went even further than usual.

 This frizzly-haired 'Mr. perfect-life' tried to use boring statistics to insult lonely people that are already kicked in the face by the whole world. How brave of him.

Also, how boring of him to list basically 20 big numbers before even getting to any kind of point. This is the wrong way to do any presentation - numbers should be SEEN, not verbally vomited into people's unlistening ears. 

 

(You see this in many videos as well - people just mentioning or talking about some big numbers they won't bother to show on the screen, so you have to try to piece things together by just listening some badly-intonated, mumbled ramblings that end up making no sense)

 

"Why would anyone..?" is not a good question, it has implications and insults baked in. 

However, what takes the cake is the insulting and ignorance-revealing non-question: "Do these virgins know pron exists?"

 

Really? I don't think ANYONE with any kind of thinking capacity would honestly ask this question, because of course we all know that exists. How could we not?

 

These types of thoughtless insulters that only consider camgirl services a bad thing..

 (in my opinion, it's a neutral thing that can have constructive and destructive effects - it's supply and demand, but somehow it's always men's fault and the buyer is always the only one that's blamed for this TWO-directional transaction where BOTH parties consent to something - isn't it weird, how THAT works?)

..and yet praise porn, must life such perfect lives, they can't even understand what world they live in, what loneliness does to people, and what social norms dictate and so on.

 

Let's say there's someone that hasn't interacted with 'the unfairer sex' a lot for various reasons.

 One is, women have SO much power now to put men in prisons and jails just by pointing a finger, it's actually, literally dangerous to do so.

 

Another is, a soul living in a male body has to jump through about 8 billion hoops just to get to a 'date', that he then has to pay a lot for (why was it bad to pay for camgirl stuff again, but not for 'a date', where a woman is likely just there to get a free meal and not give the man anything, not even positive interaction? For some reason, this presenter is not going to THESE men to ask if they know pron exists..).

 

Yet another is, even in the most optimal circumstances, where the man has painstakingly spent years to learn all the PUA tactics and risked being punched, attacked by jealous boyfriends and thus landing in prison, hospital, or becoming crippled/injured for life, and is in a situation where he can finally experience the 'action' with the woman, he still has SO much pressure to perform - and Creator help him if he's not PERFECT in every way! - and there are still more hoops, and he's still expected to pay more and so on.

In the end, a one-night stand after years of hard work of learning PUA stuff, paying for 'dates' and draining your life, energy, wallet, physical body and finally the 'sack' to get to the goal, might not be worth it at all. It could be 'meh', it could be boring, he could have a bad experience in myriad possible ways. 

 

Not to mention in how many ways he could fail and be embarrassed. Yet, no one asks if THESE men know that pron exists..

 

Then there's the added danger of transmitted diseases, pregnancy, having boinked some boxer's wife or daughter and the list goes on.

 

What about women who physically abuse men? And yet men are still not supposed to be able to freely choose how or when or in what format to interact with women. This is still somehow more honorable and less shameful way to have some kind of 'relations'? Really?

 

What about women who falsely accuse men of anything from violence, the R-word, insults, racism, to being the father of her child, and so on and so forth? These things HAPPEN A LOT!

 

I don't get why it's somehow more respectable to submit to a system and situation that requires a man to go through all THIS hellish stuff and most likely end up in a very bad situation, than to interact with some bubbly camgirl in a safe manner that doesn't hurt anyone. 

 

So, let's say someone knows all this, and ends up on some camsite, just for curiosity or fun, nothing better to do that day. They talk with 20 different girls for free, utilizing a language they are learning, so they get a kick out of it already - it's already fun, because they get to practice the language, and the girls are, unlike women in so-called 'real life', very fun, encouraging, humorous, bubbly and more 'human' than women ever are otherwise.

 

Now, let's also say these men know exactly what's going on - the women are doing it only for the money, it's all an act, it's just a surface illusion at best. 

 

However, there can still be a deep, fun experience to be had if you easily go through a hundred women to find a handful of 'gems' that are not only fun to talk with, but who also sacrifice their time to email you some responses to your jokes and things you say, and you have a bit of exchange going on. 

 

Knowing all that's in this post so far, then viewing this as a more SAFE interaction where no one can get STD or pregnant or falsely-accused, it's ALREADY worth the money, wouldn't you say?

 

You have to pay one way or another, if you are a man, so why not pay more directly, when that price not only gets you access to the more 'caring and fun' side of women instantly, the more appreciative, the more 'human' side (because they HAVE to be kind to you or they won't get paid, but it's still better than the hostility, disrespect and exploitation of 'real dates').

 

One good, big aspect that might make it worthwhile, is that a man gets to BYPASS the B1tCh-shield. This is often what makes this type of 'real interactions' so annoying and intolerable, but you don't have to even consider anything like this, you don't have to even know about 'neg-hits' or any PUA stuff just to get to talk to someone's good side.

 

You get instant access to the side of women you would normally NEVER get to see, except maybe in some restaurant, where waitresses work for tips (same situation without sexuality and without a more long-term continuance or familiriarity).

 

Someone can talk to a thousand (literally) women without paying anything, and have a lot of fun doing that, and that way, find a handful of women worth talking with a bit more, because they have something more 'special' about them (probably Leos).

 

Can you do that in real life? No, it's just not physically possible to do that in a short span of time. It is online, though. You can go through many women, and find some that are really fun to talk with for one reason or another.

 

Perhaps they seem more sincere, more bubbly, more fun and casual, more honest and more 'human' than women you ever meet in real life. Regardless of how much that is 'just an act' and 'they are paid' to do it, there could be a tiny speck of reality to that kind of fun personality you get to enjoy. 

 

Let's see what benefits you can get from a 'camgirl' experience compared to pr0n, just so these ridiculous insulters that camouflage their hostility under the guise of 'presentation and statistics' can maybe pause for a moment to show some compassion towards men that are ALREADY stomped in the face by the world very painfully every day..

 

01) It's INTERACTIVE. Pr0n isn't. You can be playful with a camgirl, but not with pr0n. It's ACTIVE vs. PASSIVE. It happens 'live', instead of being pre-captured. It REACTS to what you do and say, and sometimes that alone can be worth the price of admission - when you have a fun back-and-forth in a foreign language you are learning, it's a great moment in life, no matter how 'fake' in the end. Pr0n doesn't give you that.

 

02) You get validation. 

 

 Now, this is a complex topic, but not only do you get 'female validation', whatever that means, but you also get 'human validation'. Sometimes more importantly, you get 'linguistics validation', which means that you get actual, live proof that you CAN actually interact with native speakers of the language you are learning, and THAT can be worth the price of admission already. 

 

 You can also have a lot of fun back-n-forth in emails, you can feel good about being able to understand their sentiments written in that different language, and you can feel a bit touched by their sacrifice of their time and effort just to write you a surprisingly long email full of details and things they didn't have to tell you. 

 

03) Familiriarity is more interesting than a strange body.

 

Anyone thinking this kind of stuff is equivalent to pr0n or that it's just about seeing something n4k3d, is a fool. 

Let's say there's some neighbour you see every now and then, and you start thinking about them in 'that way'. In real life, you would probably never actually see or know what that's like, but with these sites, you can. 

 

In maybe an optimal, but surely a good situation, you start talking at first, then realize you are a lot of fun for each other - it's FUN to be FUN for someone just as much as it's fun for them to be fun for you, if you know what I mean. It's also fun to make someone laugh, as much as it is to laugh at their funny quirkiness or silly jokes that make them so charming and cute. 

 

When you have built this kind of back-n-forth rapport and sort of 'know each other' a little bit (while still keeping in mind that it's basically fake, superficial illusion, etc.), it can be WAY more exciting to then see them naked doing 'naughty stuff', than it is to just watch some stranger's naked body in a pre-captured video.

It's not all about the MOST PRIMAL ANIMAL INSTINCTS, there is a HUMAN ELEMENT to it all.

 

04) You have power to reward.

 

This is something these kind of men will probably never understand, but when you live an isolated, hermitlike life, where even if just for pragmatic reasons, you minimize any interactions, expecially with the 'opposite gender' in real life, and then you get access to the 'good side' of said gender without having to pay for dates, go through hoops, feel like you have to validate yourself in a thousand different ways just to get a good eye contact.. 

 

..it can be quite an experience to suddenly JUST be talking to someone, almost human-to-human, directly, perfectly, joking around, having fun, talking about this and that, like you are good friends already. You bypass all b1tch shields and judgments, and you can JUST HAVE FUN.

THAT alone is worth the admission price. 

 

Often it can be that you talk with someone a lot without paying them anything (so, it's free, and already you have now talked to a woman five times without paying for a 'date', that you could never do in real life without being a master PUA), and they never demand or even ask anything of you..

 

..they simply sincerely express (however fake) happiness at you coming to see their free show and talking and chatting with them and emailing with them. 

 

At some point, you naturally start feeling a little bit touched - I am not even paying anything and they're still bubbly, happy and appreciative. Regardless of how 'fake' it is, that takes a lot of time, effort and even a bit of humility to be able to pull off.

 

So the money becomes, not a payment to 'see someone naked' (does ANYONE really think this, besides mong0d1ks like that 'presenter'?), but POWER to reward someone's kindness and humility, and their very 'human' treatment of you.

 

When someone treats you like a human being, you realize you never get that from 'real women' - they would NEVER treat you like that, but instead, they would just assume you are some kind of creep and a loser that's not worth their time. As a server, they might have to serve you, but they don't have to like you.

So when you enter this world, where none of that pre-assumed hostility and toxicity exists, but even attractive women treat you like you are an actual, valuable human being, it can be a fun thing to have the power to reward such attitude (no matter how fake it ends up being).

 

It's like a fun game, but it's fun nevertheless. They treated you well, so now you are able to reward that good behaviour. And to your astonishment, even the smallest of rewards are accepted with enormous and seemingly sincere gratitude. You get a LOT out of that kind of experience, you feel like a 'king for a day' for being able to reward this poor peasant girl (you know she makes maybe millions, but it doesn't ruin the experience), and she's properly and appropriately grateful, so you want to surprise her even more by rewarding her even more the next time. 

 

Look, when someone has a great attitude towards you, even if it's partially or fully faked, it can still be a big experience that feels worth rewarding.

 

You both know you are just 'playing a game' in a way, but it's a safe and fun game, and no one is hurt. After all, it's two consenting adults giving each other something they want from each other, and being grateful for being able to do so, and being rewarded from doing so.

 

It's like a symbiotic relationship in many ways - sure, it's superficial and a bit crazy, parasocial and all that, but compared to that could happen in the 'real world', it's still way more worth it, especially it being so safe that the only thing you can really lose is money. 

 

What is money worth compared to loneliness? What is money worth compared to a great experience, even if it is 'not real' (as real as some loser with no status can get in this world anyway)?

No one falls in love with anyone's soul in this world. 

 

Sorry, but it's a fact. Otherwise teens would fall madly in love with geriatric Alzheimer patients, the most attractive women and girls would drool over the most shy Linux-nerds that don't dare look anyone in the eyes, let alone women. And so on.

 

Men fall in love with a woman's looks, fertility, femininity, personality, smile, face and maybe even their physical body. 

 

Of course no one falls in 'love' anyway, people fall in 'emotional lust', but that goes a bit beyond the scope of this post.

04) Fun side with no dangerous side-effects - a simulation of a good world.

Basically it's like that old Utopia story, where women are only taken out of some comatose state for parties and other glorious events - women only live the 'fun side' of life, and men, thus, get to enjoy women's 'fun side' as well, without having to endure anything else. Win-win.

 

It's a lot like that - fake or not, it doesn't even matter, because it's all about the experience. This world punches men, especially lonely men, in the face constantly, but more importantly, in the heart, creating a gaping hole that nothing can fulfill.

 

This kind of experience acts as a small-scale simulation of some parts of what a good world would be like. You get to interact, but no one insults you. You get to not only have fun, but you get to BE fun, and that expands the effect on both sides. Then, when it's time, you get to both reward, and see and hear someone you already like showing you things in a safe way that you would never get to experience otherwise.

 

05) FREEDOM!

 

 You get to openly and directly talk about 'it' afterwards, without any punishment for you honestly and directly expressing your lusts, likes, instincts, appreciations, etc. 

 

We all know women hear how beautiful they are all the time, they also hear how sexy they are, so they are bored with such talk.

 

But you can openly say things like that to these women, because they expect it as a part of their job, they have trained themselves to react 'appropriately', so you can live in this fantasy world where you can be the most simpy and 'I like your bobs and vegana'-type nerd, and still not ruin anything. 

 

How much is freedom worth, again? Can you ever express this kind of sentiment or any sexual lust directly without being punished for it anywhere else, especially 'on a date'?

Absolutely not.

 

But in this 'fantasy world' with these 'fantasy women', you can actually talk as dirty as you want and the women will not be put off or turned off by it. You can talk about 'naughty things' very matter-of-factly, in a way that would scare off the most hardened sltwalk-fem1naz1, and only get good, fun reactions. 

It's really pretty amazing how much and how directly you can talk about things and not get ANY bad reactions whatsoever. It's like living on a different planet, and it's very refreshing - pretty much worth the price of admission already.

 

So you have perfect freedom to talk about what kind of food you like, how you went to a concert a month ago, how the spring is proceeding in your country, and how much you enjoyed especially that thing she did with her c00ch the last show. It's all normal, casual talk, you don't have to hold back or be careful what you say, as you would ABSOLUTELY have to with a 'real woman', especially on a 'date'.

 

Did you know FREEDOM existed? I bet many of these insulting 'presenters' didn't. But I am glad they know about pr0n, because it's the same thing... RIGHT?

 

06) Practicality / Pragmatism.

 

It's very handy and pragmatic indeed. You don't have to talk to them if you don't want to, and they're OK with it, they have plenty of other 'fans'.

 

You can talk with them any time you want. Whenever you feel 'rowdy', you can just log in and start chatting away. You can even use these women for romantism if you want, play-acting as if they're your girlfriend or whatnot (as long as you don't take it too seriously).

 

It's very practical, when you can just log in, talk, do 'whatever', log off, do something else, and come back any time you 'feel the need' or whatnot.

 

Compare this to a 'real relationship', where you HAVE to, then you CAN'T, then you HAVE TO, and you are just tied, shackled, tied to this ongoing thing and you can't just do your thing, but constantly think of her as well. You want to go buy some food? Remember to ALSO buy the strawberry yoghurt she likes so much, or there's gonna be heck to pay. 

 

No one is invading your space, no one is making you buy anything, you can log on and log off any time YOU want, and if you want a deeper communication, you can even do that with emails (only to an extent, of course).

 

07) Playing house in a customized way.

 

This kind of parasocial 'relationship', such as it is, can be taken to so many directions so easily, and then also NOT taken to any direction you don't want to. No pressure to marry anyone, but you can have 'spicy fun' any time you want.

 

No schedules for cleaning or washing dishes or any nags about the curtains or car making a funny noise. No need to defend anyone's honor because some 'dude' looked at her the wrong way in the grocery store and so on. 

 

Yet, you can let your imagination run wild and imagine you are running a harem, or you have lots of GFs, or you are married to some angelic being that always appreciates everything you do. You can 'play house' in any way you want, whatever suits you.

 

08) Endless variety.

 

Of course you could say this about pr0n, but you can't say this about a GF or 'dates'. Even with a lot of success with 'dating apps', your chances of meeting THAT many THAT attractive women that have THAT good, bubbly, feminine, pleasurable personalities, are probably BELOW zero.

 

But with the wonderful world of 'camgirls', you never run out of options or variety. You will always have more and more attractive faces and bodies to talk with, even if you never see most of them naked. You can still have a lot of fun with them, and it doesn't ever have to end, until YOU decide so.

 

09) Easy 'break-ups'.

 

You can end any relationship without explanation or any effort. Just log off, never talk to that woman again, no problem, and they won't even mind. It's all good.

 

In real life, how hard is it to break up with a GF, let alone divorce a wife?

 

There are TOO many horror stories about women keying their EXs cars, badmouthing their EXs to their own kids or other people, gaslighting, false accusations of ALL kinds of vile crap, false accusations of fatherhood, not to mention alimony and child support payments and so on and so forth. 

 

With camgirls, you can just end things INSTANTLY and conveniently, never having to even say anything. You can move to another girl instantly without any problems or regrets. 

 

There would be more, but I shall stop here.

 

Just glancing at this post, people should realize there's WAY more to it than 'seeing someone's body naked'. If it REALLY was equivalent to pr0n, why would anyone pay for it if they can get it for free?

Didn't this ever occur to these people, that there might be a PLETHORA of really good reasons why people pay for these things, EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW pr0n exists? Do they REALLY think their ignorance of existence of smut is the only reason for paying?

 

These camgirl sites give men, who would never be able to, or who might choose never to (for a big bunch of REALLY good reasons in the modern world!) access a woman's 'good, fun, bubbly, feminine, human side'.

 

In other words, the side of women that good men pretty much never see, and bad men (the men with options, which means high status men - alpha thugs, CEOs, celebrities, criminals/prisoners, PUAs and so on) don't care about..

 

..that side of women that good men fantasize about, but never get to experience, CAN be experienced this way, because just like waitresses, they have to be kind to their customers, or they will lose said customers. 

Yes, it might be fake, but it's not more fake then pr0n. Yes, you might make them laugh and smile because it's their job to react that way, but it's not much different from making a waitress laugh at your joke. 

 

In the end, you get to see the side of women that's normally reserved for 'the bad boys', who don't care. The side of women only fathers see, the side of women most men can only dream about.

 

Sure, it can be mostly fake, but once in a blue moon, you run into a convincing 'genuine article', that might actually make you feel something more than a crotch tingle. Someone that goes beyond the expected effort to make you feel appreciated. Someone that you can have a 'connection' with, no matter how illusory and fake.

 

Compared to the fakeness women present to the world anyway with all their rules and boundaries, make-ups and fake nails and eyelashes, gaslighting and manipulations, false accusations and super high expectations (a man has to make 100k to 2 million according to some average women just to 'date' those women, just to mention ONE)...

 

..I am asking you, is it really worse to do the 'camgirl' thing and pay a MODERATE amount compared to the demands of modern women, compared to the alimony and child support innocent men have to pay?

Is it really worse to pay for this safe, guaranteed FUN interactive experience, than to download some crappy pr0n of strangers showing their naked bodies for free?

 

In modern world, where you have SO much pressure to 'perform' on so many levels and ways, where women have become completely unreasonable and have never even seen most men as 'men', where they accuse ALL men of being the P-word, the R-word, cheaters and losers, where a woman's single-word accusation is enough to land a man in jail..

 

..is it REALLY that unreasonable to just want to have a pragmatic, fun, interactive experience, and then go about your day?

 

Is this kind of fun, bubbly, interactive experience really comparable to a pre-captured display of a stranger's naked body?

 

I wish people would think about things before accusing the ALREADY downtrodden for not being smooth operators and social miracles that can manipulate women as easily as they swim in the vast social circles like some entertainment-eating clownfish.

 

We are human beings, we don't all have the same skillset - there are people that can never be socially 'adept' - what are they supposed to do if they want a little 'action' instead of just passively staring at pr0n?

Have some compassion and sympathy for those who have no other options, and who still would like to have at least some fun chats with people. Is that really so wrong that they don't confine themselves to just pr0n, but want to try to reach out for the smallest bit of human interaction?

 

Are you really condemning already lonely and awkward people to live in shame for wanting to reach out just a tiny bit?

 

Could you please stop shaming these men that are already insulted and punched in the face by the whole world?

 

Thank you.