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More words on the issue of du'a:

As for prayer, then no Muslim will disagree that it is Kufr to make duáā to anyone besides Allāh, whether living or dead.

If, however, the meaning of duáā here is simply calling, without any sense of worship to the person called, then this is another matter.

You Najdīs claim that every duáā is worship but then how do you understand the following verse in the Qur'ān Sharīf:

لاَّ تَجْعَلُواْ دُعَآءَ الرَّسُولِ بَيْنَكُمْ
كَدُعَآءِ بَعْضِكُمْ بَعْضاً

“Do not presume among yourselves the calling (Duáā) of the Noble Messenger equal to your calling one another”

Therefore, we cannot interpret Duáā to mean worship in every context.

A call without worshiping the called upon is just a call, and it is not shirk.

Moreover, calling a person who has left this Dunyā is done every day in every single one of the 5 daily prayers, where a Muslim states, “Ayyuha al-Nabī” “O Prophet!”

The problem that you Najdīs have with merely calling the name of someone who has passed away comes from the belief that Allāh is a kind of creature.

This makes it difficult for the Najdīs to come up with a way of thinking of themselves as Muwahhids.

After all, since what they worship and call Allāh but isn’t actually Allāh in reality, is simply another physical thing, then all physical things become potential rivals.

This leads to paranoid delusions, such as thinking that calling the name of a person who has passed away is shirk.

For a Muslim, however, the basis for Tawhīd is clear. It is the belief that Allāh does not have a partner, parts or a likeness to creation.

As long as one believes this, one has not committed shirk by calling a person who has passed away, because one does not believe that they have any power to create at all, but is only a creation, whose calling may or may not correlate with a desired effect created by Allāh.

So my question to you now is, do you agree that there is more than one type of calling as mentioned in the verse above?
 

1. So you are agreeing that calling can be of different types depending upon the intention and belief of the one who calls? You aren't labelling every call Shirk and worship?

2. Believing someone can perform something supernatura
l is not the same as believing they are divine, otherwise our belief in the miracles of the Anbiyā'a would be shirk or considering them to be divine. Rather, the belief in the Karāmāt of the Awliyā'a is similar to this, it is a supernatural event that takes place at the hands of the Awliyā'a by the creation, permission and granting of Allāh.

So do you reject Karāmāt only or do you reject miracles of Anbiyā'a also, since they too performed acts that are beyond humanly capabilities and against the laws of nature?

We do not believe the called upon to have actual and real influence on things nor do we ask for something that necessarily implies an attribute of godhood for example, asking for the creation of something.

The general rule, whether someone is dead or alive, is that one can ask for other than such things from humans. This is not sinful, as long as one believes that the one who is asked does not have actual influence over something, or some event, independently of Allāh. All Muslims must believe that everything happens by the Will of Allāh, and believing otherwise is definitely Kufr.