The transcript of our conversation:
Scammer:
Are you here?
2020-06-01 21:55:49
Me:
I am now. Sorry about the late response, the mails from hodlhodl notifiying me of your offer went to my spambox.
2020-06-02 10:55:20
Me:
Regarding the payment options I am capable of, they're a bank transfer through SWIFT/SEPA, or a Revolut "Request payment" link. The latter I've never used yet.
2020-06-02 11:10:32
Scammer:
I use revoult i would just need your number
2020-06-02 16:43:39
Scammer:
should we do this now
2020-06-02 16:43:51
Me:
Yes
2020-06-02 17:17:32
Scammer:
i have started escrow, once done leave your full number and payment will be made
2020-06-02 17:18:57
Scammer:
Depositing the amount now.
2020-06-02 17:23:45
Me:
My number is +***********
2020-06-02 17:24:05
Me:
Sent.
2020-06-02 17:31:38
Scammer:
waiting on confirmation mate, give it a few more minutes
2020-06-02 17:45:16
Me:
Sorry, I didn't mean to rush you, I was just letting you know of the progress on my side.
2020-06-02 17:48:37
Scammer:
understood aha, sending now appreciate the communication
2020-06-02 17:51:23
Scammer:
just sent. release and will feedback will do the same, thanks
2020-06-02 17:55:17
Scammer:
leave*
2020-06-02 17:55:28
Me:
Will do once I receive the funds on Revolut.
2020-06-02 18:02:57
Scammer:
it should be in your account,
2020-06-02 18:04:22
Scammer:
I have just sent it now, the money left my account and should be in yours, revoult payment is instant so do release please as all the transaction I've done here via revolut are instant.
2020-06-02 18:06:07
Me:
I received a notification about it so don't worry. Revolut has told me that the transaction needs to validate over the period of 1-2 hours.
2020-06-02 18:06:12
Me:
It is probably due to the difference that is the two of us being on two different continetns, I'm assuming.
2020-06-02 18:07:08
Me:
In any case, this is my first tike doing this. I am not trying to pull anything fishy, I am just waiting for the money to come to my account.
2020-06-02 18:07:44
Me:
my first time*
2020-06-02 18:07:49
Scammer:
Well i understand but this is not my first time dealing with revout in selling or buying and have not heard of that. With all due respect mate the money has left my account so at this point i feel vulnerable i hope you understand.
2020-06-02 18:10:16
Scammer:
I have received a notification from revolut aswell that the money has gone and is due in your account and i can no longer interfere with the transaction so you should release the bitcoin.
2020-06-02 18:11:17
Scammer:
I understand this is your fist time but that cant be the reason for not releasing because that means i have sent 1650 with nothing to show for it and i have never done a dispute and i dont want to go through the headache of that.
2020-06-02 18:12:36
Scammer:
If the money has not shown up in your revolut account then that is on them to process and is understandable as we are from different countries but I CANT get the money back by doing anything so release please, thanks i dont want this to give a negative view on us
2020-06-02 18:14:00
Me:
Please mate, have some patience?
I received a notification on Revolut, and it said that there was a transaction which needs to be validated and before it is I will not receive anything. I cannot find anything inside Revolut regarding that notification.
I'd literally clicked on that notification, and it opened Revolut with nothing related to the notification on the screen.
2020-06-02 18:19:35
Me:
You are of course free to dispute this, but I think that you should just wait for a bit until things go through with Revolut?
2020-06-02 18:20:37
Me:
You have literally nothing to worry about. I cannot get my BTC back unless you allow me to, a
2020-06-02 18:20:56
Me:
and I have no intention on attempting to get it back anyways..
2020-06-02 18:21:05
Me:
I don't really know what to say. I just think that some patience is needed? We are both invested into this equally..
2020-06-02 18:21:55
Scammer:
Yes but im the one that has sent money
2020-06-02 18:22:33
Me:
You are safe right now and it is with hodl
2020-06-02 18:22:52
Scammer:
mine has left my bank account
2020-06-02 18:23:21
Scammer:
mate please release the bitcoin and put me at ease
2020-06-02 18:23:39
Me:
If you give me your number I can send you screenshots of my Revolut € account balance..
2020-06-02 18:23:52
Me:
I am not trying to screw you up, I simply have not received the money yet on my account.
2020-06-02 18:24:11
Me:
Revolut has said it will take "1-2" hours to validate the transacation, that's the entire issue.
2020-06-02 18:25:07
Scammer:
my telegram is samdan456
2020-06-02 18:25:42
Me:
I don't have Telegram
2020-06-02 18:25:49
Me:
but I've actually noticed that there's an attachment button right here in this chat
2020-06-02 18:26:04
Scammer:
please do
2020-06-02 18:26:18
Scmmer:
please show me what they have messaged you aswell
2020-06-02 18:27:02
Me:
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2020-06-02 18:28:21
Me:
please show me what they have messaged you aswell -
I am trying to find where I can see that for myself again already, I don't know how.
2020-06-02 18:28:48
Me:
I am searching through the app and googling about it since you've sent me the payment
2020-06-02 18:29:06
Scammer:
its on the messages, thats where mine came too
2020-06-02 18:30:24
Scammer:
le
t me attach it
2020-06-02 18:30:30
Me:
Please do, but also, please like, calm down. You are making me nervous. It's not that that's a bad thing but I know that I've done my part, and you knowing that you've done your part as well should really mean that you literally have nothing to worry about.
2020-06-02 18:31:24
Scammer:
yes but i have been scammed before sorry just not taking any chances, im gonna call them now and see and ill attach the text i got
2020-06-02 18:32:01
Me:
Well, I'm glad that when the money arrives to my account and I release the deposit, you will be very much relieved..
2020-06-02 18:32:49
Me:
I seriously feel bad about this, but I cannot for myself release the deposit without the funds having arrived onto my account..
2020-06-02 18:33:23
Me:
Screenshot_20200602-183426_Revolut.jpg
2020-06-02 18:34:36
Me:
its on the messages, thats where mine came too -
I'm trying to find the "messages" tab, but haven't found it yet
2020-06-02 18:36:21
Scammer:
Mate for me it is bad as i’ve lost money before please understand but here is the text i recieved
2020-06-02 18:39:37
Scammer:
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2020-06-02 18:39:59
Scammer:
It says 2-4 hours.
2020-06-02 18:40:27
Me:
I mean, why is it a problem to wait for those few hours for you?
2020-06-02 18:40:44
Scammer:
So as you can see i have done what i should have and paid the money it is revolut that have decided to make the payment 2-4 hours. i’m on the phone now
2020-06-02 18:40:47
Me:
I understand, but I myself don't have any way of confirming for myself right now that the payment is pending.
2020-06-02 18:41:17
Me:
It doesn't mean a lot but please calm down I will not scam you.
2020-06-02 18:41:31
Scammer:
Asking for more confirmation as i am using that money to purchase something & btc is volatile. If i wait and you don’t release what can i do? I’ve never dealt with hodl disputes
2020-06-02 18:41:39
Scammer:
I am asking them to provide me with a confirmation and to yourself aswell bare with me.
2020-06-02 18:42:10
Me:
You are literally free to make a dispute right now, I have no idea what would happend. Check out my profile, this is literally my first trade.
2020-06-02 18:42:11
Scammer:
I did a trade yesterday with revolut it went smooth. this being your first trade doesn’t put me at ease
2020-06-02 18:42:40
Me:
Revolut? I am contacting Revolut as well right now, trying to reach support staff, stuck on their bot "Rita".
2020-06-02 18:42:42
Me:
I've mentioned that it's my first trade as an argument for that I have no idea about how disputes work
2020-06-02 18:43:30
Scammer:
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2020-06-02 18:43:39
Scammer:
That’s via revolut. You can clearly see in the text the payment has gone through but they just make it a 2-4 hour wait for God knows why
2020-06-02 18:44:24
Me:
Do you not understand that I feel the risk of being scammed as well?
2020-06-02 18:44:53
Scammer:
I don’t understand why you won’t release as we both recieved confirmation from them that payment is made but the wait is because of them
2020-06-02 18:44:57
Me:
Is it really such a problem to wait until I actually receive the funds?
2020-06-02 18:45:10
Me:
I can't
see that notification anymore
2020-06-02 18:45:41
Scammer:
I have my honest doubts and this is just for my safety honestly...
2020-06-02 18:45:44
Me:
Same here!
2020-06-02 18:45:58
Scammer:
They said they will send a confirmation. i’m now waiting
2020-06-02 18:46:02
Scammer:
They said they will send a confirmation. i’m now waiting
2020-06-02 18:46:03
Me:
Revolut?
2020-06-02 18:46:09
Scammer:
Hopefully it comes through and we can put this aside us as honestly i don’t want this headache just as much as you don’t
2020-06-02 18:46:26
Scammer:
Hopefully it comes through and we can put this aside us as honestly i don’t want this headache just as much as you don’t
2020-06-02 18:46:27
Me:
Please calm down. There's is no reason for a headache..
2020-06-02 18:46:45
Me:
I am very uncomfortable over making you feel like this, but do you not understand that I'm not realeasing because I literally have not received the money?
2020-06-02 18:47:19
Me:
This only tells that Revolut shouldn't be used for this anymore..
2020-06-02 18:47:31
Me:
I am reloading the Revolut app non-stop.. I am sorry about this experience being like this..
2020-06-02 18:53:14
Scammer:
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2020-06-02 18:53:22
Scammer:
Why can't verify that in anyway on my end..
2020-06-02 18:55:41
Me:
I cannot see the money in anyway, I only see what you're sending me.. It's not reasonable to expect of me to release the trade without actually being able to verify on my end that the funds or on their way..
2020-06-02 18:56:48
Scammer:
They said they will confirm that to the sender and recipient. Please check. If that can’t prove that i’ve sent the payment and have no say on what happens from here you are not trying to help me in anyway
2020-06-02 18:57:01
Me:
Is it a problem to wait an hour or a few, until it get delivered? The payment windows is 10hours on this transaction I think I saw
2020-06-02 18:57:23
Me:
I haven't received any kind of feedback from them.. Only that initial notification which when I'd clicked let me to the main screen inside Revolut where there was nothing in relation to that notification
2020-06-02 18:58:17
Scammer:
Mate your telling me to wait because revolut has decided to make it a 2-4 hour wait? look you put the ad up as revolut payment and i agreed to proceed. you can’t blame me for revolut and the way they go about business as it is your role to know and understand
2020-06-02 18:58:36
Scammer:
Can you not check your text messages? the number you gave me is the number i sent the payment too so check that and hopefully revolut have communicated with you again
2020-06-02 18:59:26
Me:
You accepted to pay through Revolut so it's as much your role as it is mine..
2020-06-02 18:59:34
Me:
I haven't received any text message!
2020-06-02 18:59:42
Me:
oh my god
2020-06-02 18:59:52
Me:
There it is!
2020-06-02 19:00:04
Me:
There it is!
2020-06-02 19:00:05
Me:
After this experience, do you trust me?
2020-06-02 19:00:33
Scammer:
Well now that you have released it i do. I dunerstand your cautious but when a person provides genuine proof and honest communication. i’m not fussed and it’s a learning curb. if you wish to sell more i’ll be here
2020-06-02 19:01:38
Scammer:
Sorry if i came about the wrong way, we got there in the end
2020-06-02 19:02:00
Me:
genuine proof and honest communication. -
With all the shit I've seen online, I entirely expect people to be capable of 'shopping images with whatever is necessary to push their agenda.
2020-06-02 19:02:26
Me:
Sorry if i came about the wrong way, we got there in the end -
No problem mate. I was feeling the same, I'm sweating buckets here lol
2020-06-02 19:02:55
Me:
But I've made a big sigh of relief now so yeah, all's well that ends well :)
2020-06-02 19:03:19
Scammer:
left postivie feedback, got anymore btc?
2020-06-02 19:03:24
Me:
I have too little to sell. Might gonna get it again in future.. But currently though, I still haven't even received the money you've sent me so I'm broke haha
2020-06-02 19:04:22
Scammer:
how much? can try another payment method
2020-06-02 19:04:50
Scammer:
how much? can try another payment method
2020-06-02 19:04:52
Scammer:
i
f not its cool
2020-06-02 19:04:59
Me:
Okay, I've left a rating for you as well.
2020-06-02 19:08:28
Me:
I have too little to sell, the exact amount is "0.00848412".
I'll stick to it because I'll probably buy more in the future.
2020-06-02 19:09:50
Me:
By the way another method you can use to get your hand on BTC without the governments knowing about it is through BTC ATMs.
2020-06-02 19:10:24
Scammer:
Yh but there fees are crazy aha
2020-06-02 19:15:24
Me:
It's the price of ultimate privacy. I mean, if you mask yourself going to a BTC ATM and have it transferred to your own hardware wallet, that BTC is effectively gone from the system and no one has any idea about it other than you.
2020-06-02 19:19:46
Me:
I'm afraid of governments one day attempting to confiscate BTC from people that they know own it, and it's not exactly a hard thing for them to know because of the whole KYC system.
2020-06-02 19:20:23
Me:
In any case, good luck. Hope we'll trade again.
2020-06-02 19:20:32
Me:
Did you actually scam me man?
2020-06-02 19:24:03
Me:
I haven't received anything in-app, only through a text-message
2020-06-02 19:24:56
Me:
Just let me know if you did so I don't have to hope for the money to arive and know right away.
2020-06-02 19:25:14
Me:
Hey please answer
2020-06-02 19:30:21
Scammer:
no
2020-06-02 19:31:26
Me:
No what, you have not scammed me?
2020-06-02 19:32:01
Scammer:
no i have not
2020-06-02 19:32:09
Me:
...
2020-06-02 19:32:43
Me::
Can you please show me a screen of your revolut in-app payment?
2020-06-02 19:34:16
Me:
Not just the message..
2020-06-02 19:34:21
Me:
Please calm me down or comfirm that you've scammed me. The toll it's taking on me is huge. My arm is burning because of how nervous I have become.
2020-06-02 19:36:08
Me:
Just let me know.. Not knowing is killing me.
2020-06-02 19:39:38
Me:
As is the money that I've lost..
2020-06-02 19:39:50
Me:
Please..
2020-06-02 19:41:06
Me:
Just let me knpw.
2020-06-02 19:41:13
Me:
know*
2020-06-02 19:41:16