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[8/16/2015 5:47:57 PM] *** Matas has shared contact details with David Eagan. ***

[8/16/2015 5:48:23 PM] Matas: yea

[8/16/2015 5:48:32 PM] Matas: So man , is it possible with good money have lots of players in usa?

[8/16/2015 5:48:37 PM] David Eagan: It is

[8/16/2015 5:48:49 PM] David Eagan: But it does not just depend on mmoney

[8/16/2015 5:48:53 PM] Matas: Can you describe all how you imagine we could do it?

[8/16/2015 5:48:55 PM] Matas: I know

[8/16/2015 5:49:04 PM] Matas: but I'm not experienced so I need very experienced people around me

[8/16/2015 5:49:13 PM] David Eagan: It depends on moderation, gamemodes, and the quality of the serrvers setup

[8/16/2015 5:50:48 PM] David Eagan: So it you are looking for the most amount of players, I would stear away from classic TF2, and run gamemodes that are currently being played alot, like x10 weapon stats, VS Saxton Hale, Item Randomizer, Stop that tank, and New weapons mods.

[8/16/2015 5:51:12 PM] David Eagan: With those types of severs, you dont need a lot of moderation

[8/16/2015 5:51:28 PM] David Eagan: I would also stear away from making a trade server

[8/16/2015 5:51:54 PM] David Eagan: (not only are trade servers inindated, but it requires staffing)

[8/16/2015 5:52:54 PM] David Eagan: If you are looking to use motdg, you might not need to worry about donation bots, etc till later down the line, when you can conbine it with your current donation method

[8/16/2015 5:53:15 PM] David Eagan: Also you should have a webhost in the USA, is you are using US servers

[8/16/2015 5:53:44 PM] David Eagan: That can be set up easily, but installing the plugins, and backend databases would be the most work

[8/16/2015 5:53:48 PM] Matas: yes , absolutely , I just bought a vps from nfo today

[8/16/2015 5:53:53 PM] Matas: i think nfo is the best for usa?

[8/16/2015 5:53:55 PM] David Eagan: What plan

[8/16/2015 5:54:17 PM] David Eagan: also NFO is the best

[8/16/2015 5:54:25 PM | Edited 5:54:46 PM] Matas: no , no , just a simple few cores for one server , before I'm spending on dedicated

machines i need to be sure that my team is awesome and we will succeed really fast

[8/16/2015 5:54:26 PM] David Eagan: we use nfo for our machines

[8/16/2015 5:54:30 PM] Matas: now we will make just one trade server

[8/16/2015 5:55:04 PM] Matas: how about domain: deluxe.tf ?

[8/16/2015 5:55:08 PM] David Eagan: Well I would recomend agains continuing with your VPS, and go strait to a dedicated machine

[8/16/2015 5:55:13 PM] Matas: we decided as a team , that this one really not bad

[8/16/2015 5:55:28 PM] Matas: it's just for one server

[8/16/2015 5:55:29 PM] David Eagan: So my team can always work on this server, if they are paid

[8/16/2015 5:55:32 PM] Matas: for 1-2

[8/16/2015 5:55:37 PM] Matas: for other all servers dedicated machines

[8/16/2015 5:56:37 PM] Matas: for example before some time i was so stupid , i paid on two dedicated machines on nfo : texas and chigago ,

about 500 usd and paid for a person who set upped vanilla servers good with some good things for 300 usd , so i spent 1000 usd for nothing

and my 24 vanilla servers were almost with no players...

[8/16/2015 5:56:51 PM | Edited 5:56:53 PM] Matas: then i realized i need very experienced team and only very unique and attractive mod

servers

[8/16/2015 5:57:06 PM] Matas: and buy dedicated only when i know that team is perfect and we know strategy with making servers

[8/16/2015 5:57:15 PM] Matas: that mistake was just before couple weeks

[8/16/2015 5:57:51 PM] David Eagan: I understand you may have had trouble with VDS's in the past, but for an 8core, it costs only $83 a

month

[8/16/2015 5:58:00 PM] David Eagan: That can run 15 full servers

[8/16/2015 5:58:04 PM] Matas: omg??

[8/16/2015 5:58:10 PM] Matas: with dedicated machine 230

[8/16/2015 5:58:14 PM] Matas: you can run just 13 servers

[8/16/2015 5:58:15 PM] Matas: tf2

[8/16/2015 5:58:18 PM] Matas: yea or no?

[8/16/2015 5:58:23 PM] Matas: i thought so

[8/16/2015 5:58:59 PM] David Eagan: Well NFO VDS's can run as many servers as you want, you can host 100 servers, but your machine will

have a cpu usagee of like 99% 24/7

[8/16/2015 5:59:36 PM] David Eagan: We found an 8core tops at 243 ish players depending on the map

[8/16/2015 6:00:01 PM] David Eagan: that gives around 65% to 75% CPU usage.

[8/16/2015 6:00:10 PM] David Eagan: The best is never to go beyond 50%

[8/16/2015 6:00:55 PM] David Eagan: so you can always maximise player count, at the risk of constant crashes

[8/16/2015 6:00:55 PM | Edited 6:01:06 PM] Matas: so you think nfo vds much better to buy than nfo dedicated?

[8/16/2015 6:01:12 PM] David Eagan: VDS managed machines are basicly dedicated

[8/16/2015 6:01:28 PM] Matas: Look , I have some people in my team, but it would be great if you could suggest more very experienced guys

for our team also.So look ,here is what I want you to do , explain me in details how you imagine our all process , how could we start?Will you

find coder , servers manager?Please write all in steps , like at first we need to add you and your members of team into one group , have our

common skype group , later make decisions about plan and so on , what will we do next , what's second..

[8/16/2015 6:04:30 PM] David Eagan: This is all going to depend on what you are going to be spending. My guys work for me for free. Since

this is a diffrent project, you would be paying them directly. Let me tell you who is in my staff program. You an look them up threw my group

page. Dont add them, untill i expalin what mmight be ging on.

[8/16/2015 6:05:09 PM] David Eagan: AI is our plugin builder, he develops and does work for our system, and makes any new plugins or

tweaks ony plugins we need.

[8/16/2015 6:05:48 PM] David Eagan: FlyingHemroid codes for a living, and works for All State Insurance doing their backend work.

[8/16/2015 6:06:32 PM] David Eagan: Reo, (not sure what he changed his name to) Is 16, but does an awesome job at backend database

work. He developed our automated donation bot.

[8/16/2015 6:07:17 PM] David Eagan: I also know someone called Rowdy, he is not in our team, but i pay him for our website development. He

also does database work.

[8/16/2015 6:08:07 PM] David Eagan: And DrunkCows is the main Owner of RetroServers, but is on leave since he joined the military, so i

have taken over everything.

[8/16/2015 6:08:53 PM] David Eagan: Drunk is not the best at things, but knows about NFO in and out.

[8/16/2015 6:09:04 PM] David Eagan: He will acctualy be ariving back in about 2 weeks

[8/16/2015 6:09:48 PM] David Eagan: zakarias is our hammer dev, he has built many of the maps we use for deathrun. He also develops our

custon TF2 maps.

[8/16/2015 6:10:26 PM] Matas: Thanks for such a great explanation.The thing is that I see that you are really not bad and fairly experienced , so

i would be glad if you could help me to do an awesome team and work with me in order to achieve my goal - have tons of players in USA.For

that i'm absolutely willing to pay you according to your wishes.How will we do doesn't mater , what kind of servers, what kind of team , involve

your team or find a new.I currently have at least 2 people who will help us out in our team.But the fact is that you are SURE that with my money

is posssible to have lots of players , just need very experienced team and good working.So please man , accept this humble offer of mine.

[8/16/2015 6:12:57 PM] David Eagan: I cant accept anything untill I know for sure who in my team would be 100% invested.

[8/16/2015 6:13:19 PM] David Eagan: Can you tell me about your team?

[8/16/2015 6:14:32 PM] Matas: I cant accept anything untill I know for sure who in my team would be 100% invested.

[8/16/2015 6:14:35 PM] Matas: we can find another team

[8/16/2015 6:14:41 PM] Matas: if you cannot involve your's

[8/16/2015 6:14:46 PM] Matas: but how your team gonna do perfect for us

[8/16/2015 6:14:51 PM] Matas: if your priority

[8/16/2015 6:14:54 PM] Matas: is your project guys..

[8/16/2015 6:15:11 PM] Matas: maybe would be possible to buy your project in the future , when our this one will succeed?

[8/16/2015 6:15:20 PM | Edited 6:15:24 PM] Matas: And that way you will focus on our common project

[8/16/2015 6:22:02 PM] Matas: ?

[8/16/2015 6:22:13 PM] David Eagan: RetroServers is always the priority for us. We would never abandon what we have already

accomplished. If you want access to me and my staff, you have to understand that only reason we will be helping you, is because you will

paying us to help you. That does not mean anyone will take it less seriously. What it means is my staff will treat this job, like their real world job.

They do it because they get paid, and not because they want to grow your community.

[8/16/2015 6:22:58 PM] Matas: Ok

[8/16/2015 6:23:18 PM] Matas: But for example with my money , let's say 500 players within 6 months is possible?

[8/16/2015 6:23:31 PM] Matas: With big giveaways , big steam groups for example

[8/16/2015 6:23:33 PM] David Eagan: 500 average you mean?

[8/16/2015 6:23:43 PM | Edited 6:24:16 PM] Matas: for example in the America is evening

[8/16/2015 6:23:44 PM] Matas: so at this time

[8/16/2015 6:23:46 PM] Matas: 500 players

[8/16/2015 6:23:47 PM] Matas: at the same time

[8/16/2015 6:23:56 PM | Edited 6:24:07 PM] Matas: through all servers

[8/16/2015 6:23:57 PM] Matas: at all

[8/16/2015 6:24:11 PM] David Eagan: How many players in the group, would you expect

[8/16/2015 6:24:18 PM] Matas: ?

[8/16/2015 6:24:26 PM] David Eagan: How many steam group members

[8/16/2015 6:24:37 PM] David Eagan: by 6 months

[8/16/2015 6:24:42 PM] Matas: i not about this..

[8/16/2015 6:24:49 PM | Edited 6:24:53 PM] Matas: i ask about servers and players

[8/16/2015 6:24:59 PM] Matas: 500 at one time within 6 months possible?

[8/16/2015 6:25:46 PM] Matas: don't you understand what am i asking?

[8/16/2015 6:25:56 PM] David Eagan: I do

[8/16/2015 6:26:14 PM] David Eagan: 500 players during pear hours

[8/16/2015 6:26:23 PM] Matas: no

[8/16/2015 6:26:28 PM] Matas: at the moment

[8/16/2015 6:26:50 PM] Matas: http://www.gametracker.com/search/?query=retroservers

[8/16/2015 6:26:56 PM] Matas: in your servers about 60 players right now

[8/16/2015 6:26:59 PM] David Eagan: yes

[8/16/2015 6:27:00 PM] Matas: so I'm asking about 500 players

[8/16/2015 6:27:05 PM] Matas: within 6 months

[8/16/2015 6:27:07 PM] Matas: for example

[8/16/2015 6:27:57 PM] David Eagan: this around the end of our peak hours.

[8/16/2015 6:28:04 PM] David Eagan: 500 is possable

[8/16/2015 6:28:09 PM] David Eagan: in 6 mmonths

[8/16/2015 6:28:25 PM | Edited 6:28:40 PM] Matas: but how your team is gonna make my servers so big if your nr 1 priority is with much less

players?

[8/16/2015 6:29:15 PM] David Eagan: Once my team finishes building your servers, they should run themselfs

[8/16/2015 6:29:33 PM] David Eagan: We will not be part of your community, host giveaways, etc.

[8/16/2015 6:29:41 PM] David Eagan: You have to do that part by yourself

[8/16/2015 6:30:23 PM] David Eagan: Don’t misinterpret this

[8/16/2015 6:31:07 PM] David Eagan: The system we put in place for you, should ensure easy gliding for you, and whoever you hire as full time

staff.

[8/16/2015 6:31:11 PM] Matas: but how your team is gonna make my servers so big if your nr 1 priority is with much less players?

[8/16/2015 6:31:20 PM] Matas: so you will just create servers , nothing more?

[8/16/2015 6:31:24 PM] Matas: for this i can find coders

[8/16/2015 6:31:26 PM] Matas: and mapers

[8/16/2015 6:31:26 PM | Edited 6:31:32 PM] Matas: and that's all

[8/16/2015 6:31:35 PM] Matas: i need results with players

[8/16/2015 6:31:39 PM] Matas: not technical supporting

[8/16/2015 6:31:41 PM] Matas: but how your team is gonna make my servers so big if your nr 1 priority is with much less players?

[8/16/2015 6:31:43 PM] Matas: answer to this

[8/16/2015 6:32:10 PM] David Eagan: Matas, it feels like you are asking me and my staff to work for you full time.

[8/16/2015 6:32:24 PM] Matas: can you answer to my question?

[8/16/2015 6:32:30 PM] Matas: you know that my goal is players

[8/16/2015 6:32:37 PM] Matas: and I'm paying you to accomplish this

[8/16/2015 6:34:05 PM] David Eagan: Let’s be honest. Your goal is making more cash then you put in.

[8/16/2015 6:34:07 PM] Matas: what your team is gonna do for me?

[8/16/2015 6:34:13 PM] Matas: just install all?

[8/16/2015 6:34:16 PM] Matas: i can find 100 people

[8/16/2015 6:34:17 PM] Matas: who can do this

[8/16/2015 6:34:33 PM] Matas: there are tons of coders and mapers

[8/16/2015 6:34:42 PM] Matas: yes , why not

[8/16/2015 6:34:46 PM] Matas: Let’s be honest. Your goal is making more cash then you put in.

[8/16/2015 6:35:38 PM] David Eagan: Then understand this. RetroServers are the leaders in this idea. We spend $120 a month on servers and

make almost $700 back a month.

[8/16/2015 6:36:02 PM] David Eagan: We have the experiance and knowlage regarding this.

[8/16/2015 6:36:17 PM | Edited 6:36:24 PM] Matas: ok, so you won't help me i think?

[8/16/2015 6:36:21 PM] Matas: how you could help me?

[8/16/2015 6:36:45 PM] Matas: leaders? why you still do not have an empire of players?

[8/16/2015 6:37:19 PM] Matas: ok , so can you write in conclusion

[8/16/2015 6:37:22 PM] Matas: what you offer me

[8/16/2015 6:37:25 PM] Matas: and he will left chat

[8/16/2015 6:37:28 PM] Matas: yes or no

[8/16/2015 6:37:58 PM] David Eagan: "why you still do not have an empire of players?"

[8/16/2015 6:38:35 PM] David Eagan: this is our 6th month, and we have only grown naturaly.

[8/16/2015 6:38:49 PM] David Eagan: We did not have all our coders at the start

[8/16/2015 6:39:09 PM] David Eagan: We only had 1 server

[8/16/2015 6:39:20 PM] Matas: 1???

[8/16/2015 6:39:25 PM] David Eagan: 6 months ago

[8/16/2015 6:39:29 PM] David Eagan: And we have just grown

[8/16/2015 6:39:42 PM] Matas: http://www.gametracker.com/search/?query=retroservers

[8/16/2015 6:39:49 PM] Matas: oh had

[8/16/2015 6:39:58 PM] Matas: so look , in conclusion

[8/16/2015 6:40:02 PM] Matas: what you offer me

[8/16/2015 6:41:27 PM] David Eagan: Let me give you an anaology

[8/16/2015 6:42:46 PM] Matas: how 500 players is possible with your team within 6 days in my new project if you didn't make even 100

playears at the same time in your priority?

[8/16/2015 6:44:26 PM] David Eagan: Because groth is a thing.

[8/16/2015 6:44:41 PM] David Eagan: We did not start with our team

[8/16/2015 6:45:08 PM] David Eagan: http://s3.postimg.org/eqxzqehiq/Untitled.jpg

[8/16/2015 6:45:22 PM] David Eagan: We are on track to make that $700 mark this month

[8/16/2015 6:45:54 PM] David Eagan: You will be starting with a team that has now proven itself.

[8/16/2015 6:46:11 PM] David Eagan: In 6 months, RetroServers might be hitting that 500 player mark

[8/16/2015 6:46:33 PM] David Eagan: We never had the cash to throw at projects

[8/16/2015 6:47:19 PM] David Eagan: We only had natural growth.

[8/16/2015 6:47:59 PM] David Eagan: If we had the team we have now, back then, I would have no doubt 300 players would be in our servers

[8/16/2015 6:48:42 PM] Matas: what is groth?

[8/16/2015 6:48:50 PM] David Eagan: *growth

[8/16/2015 6:49:16 PM] Matas: so how much i should pay

[8/16/2015 6:49:18 PM] Matas: for me the best to pay

[8/16/2015 6:49:21 PM] Matas: with regard to players

[8/16/2015 6:49:22 PM] Matas: as more players

[8/16/2015 6:49:23 PM] Matas: as more money

[8/16/2015 6:54:21 PM] David Eagan: There are so many deviations that a project can go threw, it really depends on how big and how fast. I

can guess, to get everything running it will take 8-15 days and anywhere from $400-850

[8/16/2015 6:55:15 PM] David Eagan: Servers will start to pop up within the first day, but it wil take time to complete everything, such as

backend and website work.

[8/16/2015 6:55:57 PM] David Eagan: You can expect an average of 43 online threw the first month.

[8/16/2015 6:56:30 PM] David Eagan: *weeks

[8/16/2015 6:56:46 PM] David Eagan: I assume you will continue to expand

[8/16/2015 6:57:08 PM] Matas: 43 players at one time?

[8/16/2015 6:57:15 PM] Matas: and pay about 1 thousand?

[8/16/2015 6:57:17 PM] Matas: wtfk

[8/16/2015 6:57:26 PM] David Eagan: i never said that.

[8/16/2015 6:57:34 PM] Matas: s, to get everything running it will take 8-15 days and anywhere from $400-850

[8/16/2015 6:58:01 PM] David Eagan: ^ said first 2 weeks

[8/16/2015 6:58:22 PM] David Eagan: How many servers are you expecting

[8/16/2015 6:59:07 PM] Matas: look , the most important thing for me spend money gradually , once i do not see results with players i cannot

put much money

[8/16/2015 6:59:18 PM] Matas: and you want just for set upping so big money instantly

[8/16/2015 6:59:51 PM] David Eagan: I thought that was the rout you were looking at.

[8/16/2015 7:00:08 PM] David Eagan: If we are talking about gradually, that would change my approach

[8/16/2015 7:00:56 PM] David Eagan: I guess it is not really gradualy if you expect 500 within 6 months

[8/16/2015 7:01:08 PM] David Eagan: This is an excelerated gradualy

[8/16/2015 7:01:32 PM] Matas: i can't pay big money before no players

[8/16/2015 7:01:42 PM] Matas: you want me to pay good money with empty servers as i understand

[8/16/2015 7:02:06 PM] David Eagan: What price are you looking at Matas, that would help me understand

[8/16/2015 7:03:41 PM] Matas: price doesn't matter , i can spend thousands every month if i see perfect results on getting players

[8/16/2015 7:06:23 PM] David Eagan: What would you pay for the initial setup

[8/16/2015 7:07:06 PM] Matas: i can find many guys for it

[8/16/2015 7:07:11 PM] Matas: there are hundrets of people

[8/16/2015 7:07:13 PM] Matas: who can do that

[8/16/2015 7:07:18 PM | Edited 7:07:20 PM] Matas: amazing coders,mapers

[8/16/2015 7:07:31 PM] Matas: my technical supporter can install basics , sourcebans , etc..

[8/16/2015 7:09:59 PM] David Eagan: then i dont know exactly what side you are asking me to do. At first i sounded like you wanted us to

make the best setup for gaining players, and now it sounds like you just want public relations

[8/16/2015 7:10:30 PM] David Eagan: If all you want is Public Relations, just pay some youtuber to play on your servers.

[8/16/2015 7:10:32 PM] Matas: i need players

[8/16/2015 7:10:43 PM] Matas: all i need is players

[8/16/2015 7:15:22 PM] David Eagan: Matas, all you see is the final vision, that is fine, but you need to consider what it take to build it to the

level you will want it. It sounds like you just want to end. You just want to throw money at someone, and get players. That might be okay, but

you don’t even have servers set up. If all you want me to do is get you players, you need to have servers set up. Since you said you don’t want

my team to assist with sever building, then I have nothing to do. I have no servers to help you build up.

[8/16/2015 7:15:53 PM] David Eagan: "just want to go to the end"

[8/16/2015 7:18:27 PM] Matas: Ok , i can , but pay really a lot for servers set upping could be not good for me

[8/16/2015 7:18:35 PM] Matas: or we can make popular server one by one

[8/16/2015 7:18:42 PM] Matas: How much do you need for set up?

[8/16/2015 7:18:57 PM] Matas: If we won't succeed with getting players and servers will stay empty , what then?

[8/16/2015 7:19:02 PM] Matas: I will be wasted my money

[8/16/2015 7:26:25 PM] Matas: ?

[8/16/2015 7:31:45 PM] David Eagan: The fact that I have made RetroServers successful should be testament enough. I already have a history

of making popular servers in TF2. I am going to give you 2 options.

[8/16/2015 7:31:51 PM] David Eagan: 1. My team will set up your servers and backend in a professional and timely manner, and you will pay

my team for setting everything up. The servers and backend we set up will be assured to gain a player base without your intervention.

2. You will hire only me to direct your team on how to construct your servers and backend (I will be the project manager). You will hire your

own people to make your own servers and backend. The servers and backend I help set up will be assured to gain a player base without your

intervention.

[8/16/2015 7:32:32 PM] David Eagan: Those are the only offers I can make.

[8/16/2015 7:34:43 PM] David Eagan: Do you understand each offer.

[1:32:28 PM] David Eagan: Matas, I assume you are going to reject the offer.