I'm noticing all these Vick fans have a common trend of using the San Diego game as a point, and a more central point - Let me point this out to all of you Vick fans, who by the way are some of the most
irrational/ignorant to facts in the NFL - the Chargers have a bottom 20-30/25-30 pass defense
Outside of the games they've played Vick, opponents have gone for 102-143 (71.3%), 1016 yds, 8 TD, 1 INT against the Chargers (7.1 Yds/Att, 2.0 TD/35, 0.2 INT/35) .. against Schaub/Locker/Romo/Pryor,
not exactly a murderer's row of QBs .. the numbers posted here could get significantly worse tonight playing against Andrew Luck..
Vick did significantly better in
Yards/Attempt compared against the numbers posted above, and his comp% was lower - but it appears he also went deep more in the game so that is acceptable - however, it dosen't take away the fact
he didn't do anything ultra impressive versus a porous pass defense as you might take away here - just chose to go deep more..
but here's some points that will KILL you Vick fans:
Outside of that game, Vick is 48-96 (50%, FIFTY!), for 757, 3-2.. (7.9 Yds/Att, 1.1 TD/35 (weak), 0.7 INT/35)
Take away the Redskins game where people were discovering Chip Kelly's offense for the first time and where for the first 2 games of the season it was thought by some that WAS would end up with the worst
D in the league, 33-71 (46.5% - Tebow completion numbers), 554, 1-2 (7.8 Yds/Att, 0.5 TD/35, 1.0 Int/35)
The only "great" thing here about Vick
is the low turnover rate, and consistently good Yards/Attempt - and if you want, you can say Luck was putting up similar #s last year - but he was a rookie, which Vick is not, was winning, which Vick is not
nearly as much (admittedly, not all Vick's fault in some instances), and had a much more difficult situation to play in than Vick, who has had a talented offense (except for the non-Desean WRs, Cooper?)
and innovative coach handed to him..
To make things even worse, you would think playing in the type of offense Vick plays in would open the field and help him to be more efficient as a passer:
This effect demonstrated last year -
Robert Griffin III (65.6%, 8.1 Yds/Att, 20-6)
Russell Wilson (64.1%, 7.9 Yds/Att, 26-10)
Colin Kaepernick - from STL-SB w/ BAL (62.3%, 8.7 Yds/Att, 14-5)
hell, if you want to just talk running QB effect -
Cam Newton (57.7%, 8.0 Yds/Att, 19-12)
You can argue sample size w/ Vick, and that is a strong point, but the fact of the matter is with the SAME benefits these guys get, with 8-9+ years more of experience in the NFL than these guys, he is
not playing nearly as efficient .. even his Yards/Att, his strongest "scoring" stat, is inferior to all of the numbers posted above...but forget about all that, let me just point out the career stats of Michael
Vick, outside of his magical 2010 season where defenses rediscovered the talents of Michael Vick, and his renovated passing abilities - 55.3%, 7.0 Yds/Att, 1.4 TD/35, 1.0 Int/35, 3.3 Sk/35 .. the TD-INT
#s are solid, but not world-beaters..
and for you wins guys,
ZERO playoff wins since 2004, and a 35-35 record (granted - this includes games he did not finish, but that could work both ways, I would have to check)
YES, he was incarcerated for 18 months, and was not a starting QB from 2007-2010, even ignoring that, in his 7 years of 10+ starts, he has made the playoffs 3/7 times (less than half the time, with a
55-42-1 record, a 55.3 winning % which translates to 8.8/16 wins, 9-7 seasons)
The "Chip Kelly Offense" was supposed to elevate his level of play, but he has not shown anything significantly above the numbers posed above
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Now, what we know about Nick Foles:
Other rookie/sophomore QBs to throw 65+%, 5+ TD in his first ~60 attempts (55-74 below) (can't list them all, would have to find them)
Nick Foles 2013 (41/60
Nick Foes 2013 (38/56
Matt Ryan 2009 (43/63
Carson Palmer 2005 (53/74
Kurt Warner 1999 (45/69
Dan Marino 1984 (37/55
Maybe there are others good or bad I've missed, but here are some I was able to pull up quickly. Out of the list above though, Foles has one of the higher Yds/Att players, AND is the only QB on
the list to have not thrown a pick yet..
As a matter of fact, for ALL QBs in their rookie-sophomore seasons, that had more than 300+ passing attempts, Foles literally has the least amount of interceptions out of all of them, and the lowest int% (Vick was 4th here, but Foles was more productive in the Cmp%, TD/Att categories)
Yet week after week, low-information
fans on Twitter will go "lol foles gun threw 3 piks 2day and vik wil be da startur again"
While we're at it with Foles stats,
here are some statistics below that will tell you how good his 2 game stretch vs Dallas and Tampa Bay was:
Quickly assembled list of QBs I made last season who have had 2 game stretch w/ I believe 630+ yds, 63.5+%, 3+ td, 0 int dating up to Week 14 of last year when I made the list (You will see Foles is one of the two youngest in this list to do this - although yes, he is the LEAST efficient QB by passer rating in this list, some other younger QBs being much more efficient)
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An8tIy3GT7uZdC1tS2dkSTdvSk5rZ3VQMXpWT3JseGc#gid=2
Playing on the road, 380+ yds, 2+ td, no int, 62.5+ cmp% dated up to THIS YEAR (Foles is the second youngest QB on the list, this list is based off of his game vs TB, although yes, he is the least efficient QB once again in this list, still good work, if you want, you can tone back the numbers to exclude in this list and see if there are any frauds)
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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=1960&year_max=2012&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&opp_id=&game_type=R&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&game_day_of_week=&game_location=R&game_result=&is_active=&is_hof=&c1stat=pass_cmp_perc&c1comp=gt&c1val=62.5&c2stat=pass_yds&c2comp=gt&c2val=380&c3stat=pass_td&c3comp=gt&c3val=2&c4stat=pass_int&c4comp=eq&c4val=0&order_by=game_date
What's that you say, he was 1-5 his rookie year? Let's examine that -
-The first Washington game admittedly had no chance
-The Carolina game, they lost by 6, but had Bryce/Boykin fumbles and defensive miscommunications
-Dallas, they lose by 5, but as Foles has a chance to put together a GW-drive, Bryce Brown screws him for the second straight week and fumbles for a Dallas TD... plus Romo torched the Eagles torrid
secondary all day long
-TB, a 23-21 win, admittedly he could have been intercepted and have the game lost @ the end - but hey, Eli lucked out that way into a Super Bowl 42 victory
-The Cincy blowout, Foles had a couple of dropped TD passes apparently, and they ACTUALLY led 13-10 at the half before they literally could not stop turning it over in the second half
-Finally, Washington part deux - Evan Moore dropped a game-tying pass to send it to OT, and Foles underthrew a pass to Maclin playing w/ a broken hand in the 2nd half (perhaps no excuse though)
If Foles had luck go his way in each of these games, maybe he could have been 5-1! But, hey, maybe I cherry-picked statistics above the wins discussion, and positive ones could be found for Vick,
or other numbers that Foles is NOT in - but at the end of the day, the numbers are still fairly-unprecedented
The only thing of concern is - I did not see this Foles on the college/rookie tape of him that I saw, neither did anyone else seemingly except RC Fischer of Fantasy Football Metrics, and Chiefs
writers BJ Kissel and Nick Jacobs - so perhaps
this is a fluke - but I am FAR from a tape/football-watching expert
(Also spotty/suspect deep accuracy shown last year)
All in all though, if Michael Vick is reading this - perhaps you can prove me wrong about your ability - but I would prefer you do that with another QB-needy team (Houston, Cleveland calling?
Schaub used to be your backup, for whatever it's worth) - I would like to see Nick Foles @ the helm personally - anyone care to dispute this? My essay here was not flawless perhaps.